I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...

[grahameb]

Do animals share the same readings as follows?

                                ABO                    PGM                    EAP                     AK                    Hp

Nevill Bamber           O                        PGM1+                EAP BA               AK1                   Hp2-1
June Bamber            A                         PGM1+                EAP BA               AK2-1                Hp2-1
Daniel Caffell            O                        PGM2+1+            EAP B                 AK1                   Hp2
Nicholas Caffell         O                        PGM2+1+           EAP B                 AK1                    Hp2
Sheila Caffell            A                        PGM1+                EAP BA               AK1                    Hp2-1
Blood Sample           A                        Nil                        EAP BA              AK1                    Hp2-1

The hair COULD have been caused by contamination eg sweep of carpet with sticky tape.  Or a combe.  Oh perish the thought did I really think/say such a thing  . Seems most remarkable that there was no skin tissue present, normally associated with backspatter, and yet a hair was attached 

Yes rabbits do with AK1.

[grahameb]

Yes so no silencer attached or am I missing the point? 

The point is that it has never been established that it was in fact a gun barrel that made the marks. It is one theory.

[grahameb]

I thought the tests were also used to argue that a silencer had not been used based on photos of SC's wounds?

Yes they were. But that also assumed that the gun barrel was in fact used and not some other implement.

[grahameb]

Lol.  I just googled "c-rap tests" and it came up with crap tests  :D . Honestly.  Yeah the penny has dropped 

[Steve_uk]

Well I was trying to think of another explanation for the sudden appearance of a silencer mark in Ewen Smith's Birmingham office in 2004 noted by two gun enthusiasts when Dr. Ian Craig and Peter Vanezis had missed them,or is it me who has missed something?

[Steve_uk]

april exactly so many would have handled the ammunition steve it does not make sense that a silencer was used at all.  Firstly if Jeremy had used it he would not have been stupid enough to put it back in the box into the cupboard he would have disposed of it and secondly if Sheila had used it she would not have put it back in a box into a cupboard it would have been left where she had last used it.

If Jeremy had been apprehensive about carrying out the murders he might well have planned to use a silencer as the Defence has constantly reminded us he had three adults in the house to control. The more I think of the ammunution left out carelessly on the blue and white chequered worktop the more I think this was left by Jeremy for us to find. Andrew Hunter tells us that there were two types of ammunition used in the crimes anyway and it's unlikely that Sheila switches guns without leaving some kind of a trace. I also think had Nevill spotted this ammunition as he allegedly made the telephone call he would have neutralized it in some way.

[Caroline R]

If Jeremy had been apprehensive about carrying out the murders he might well have planned to use a silencer as the Defence has constantly reminded us he had three adults in the house to control. The more I think of the ammunution left out carelessly on the blue and white chequered worktop the more I think this was left by Jeremy for us to find. Andrew Hunter tells us that there were two types of ammunition used in the crimes anyway and it's unlikely that Sheila switches guns without leaving some kind of a trace. I also think had Nevill spotted this ammunition as he allegedly made the telephone call he would have neutralized it in some way.

Sonic screwdriver? 

[Jane]

Sonic screwdriver? 

No Caroline. 2 parts hydrogen peroxide, 1 part water and a squeeze of fairy liquid

[killingeve]

Yes rabbits do with AK1.

Thank you.  What about ABO, EAP, and Hp?

[Caroline R]

No Caroline. 2 parts hydrogen peroxide, 1 part water and a squeeze of fairy liquid

Ah, the old ammunition neutralising mixture!! Classic!! 

[mike tesko]

Well I was trying to think of another explanation for the sudden appearance of a silencer mark in Ewen Smith's Birmingham office in 2004 noted by two gun enthusiasts when Dr. Ian Craig and Peter Vanezis had missed them,or is it me who has missed something?

So you obviously can't see the circular bruise like mark around the lower bullet entry wound on Sheila's neck, that is visible, and like you say, neither could any of the prosecution expert's, or the police, which begs the question - why don't any of them comment upon it, and its relevance? What had they all got to hide?

[Steve_uk]

So you obviously can't see the circular bruise like mark around the lower bullet entry wound on Sheila's neck, that is visible, and like you say, neither could any of the prosecution expert's, or the police, which begs the question - why don't any of them comment upon it, and its relevance? What had they all got to hide?

Oh Mike I thought those two gun enthusiasts mentioned by Andrew Hunter might have included yourself..

[mike tesko]

Oh Mike I thought those two gun enthusiasts mentioned by Andrew Hunter might have included yourself..

The two gun enthusiasts concerned were Mssrs Smith and Mallinson, both with vast experience in firearms and explosive devices. Some of the work they carried out was in the presence of home office firearms expert Graham Renshaw, and Bambers legal team, which at that time was Michael Turner, QC, and Ewen Smith (solicitor)...

[lookout]

I can see it..It's as plain as a pikestaff.

[mike tesko]

When discovery of the circular mark around the non fatal bullet wound on Sheila's throat was first mentioned to Jeremy by myself, and I reported to him what Ewen had said, Jeremy was fuming, he asked to see a copy of the image being referred to, and when the circular mark was pointed out to him, he said the circular bruise type mark could be bruising caused by impact of the bullet striking the fleshy part of the throat making the flesh stretch and retract - he called it an impact bruise, yet non of the other 24 wounds had similar marks around them...