I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...

[Patti]

Patti try it and see best mix a little sugar with it to make it forment and you could go into orbit Bye Bye Patti nice knowing you

Its not the 5th of November yet.....I shall wait and bugger off on a rocket. Keep yer eyes peeled at the sky....I shall be wearing me birthday suit shaking a rattle and screaming me head off....lol 

[Caroline R]

I think it the mark looks to wide to have been caused by a silencer? Possibly an abrasion ring due to the wound having been contact or near contact? If any expert believed this to have been a silencer mark,surely this would have been raised in court? Instead,none of them could assertain whether a silencer had been used or not in the murders,hence the prosecutions reliance on the blood from inside the silencer.

Well said Tyler, totally agree - the mark looks nothing like a silencer mark.

[killingeve]

Unfortunately those tests were all based upon  the theory that it was the gun barrel that was used to make the burn marks on Ralph's back.

I thought the tests were also used to argue that a silencer had not been used based on photos of SC's wounds?

[susan]

Ha Ha Patti you are so so funny and really brighten up my day.  I shall be watching for you waving a Scottish Milk Thistle  not a Yorkshire Rose

[Caroline R]

I thought the tests were also used to argue that a silencer had not been used based on photos of SC's wounds?

They were.

[lookout]

I stand by what I said today about c-rap tests. I don't hold with most of them at all. Guesswork and suppositions.

[killingeve]

I stand by what I said today about c-rap tests. I don't hold with most of them at all. Guesswork and suppositions.

What are c-rap tests?

[killingeve]

They were.

Oh goody gum drops.  Thanks LiR 

[killingeve]

What are c-rap tests?

Lol.  I just googled "c-rap tests" and it came up with crap tests  :D . Honestly.  Yeah the penny has dropped 

[killingeve]

Does anyone know the definitive answer as to whether animal blood produces readings as per table? Thanks.

                                ABO                    PGM                    EAP                     AK                    Hp

Nevill Bamber           O                        PGM1+                EAP BA               AK1                   Hp2-1
June Bamber            A                         PGM1+                EAP BA               AK2-1                Hp2-1
Daniel Caffell            O                        PGM2+1+            EAP B                 AK1                   Hp2
Nicholas Caffell         O                        PGM2+1+           EAP B                 AK1                    Hp2
Sheila Caffell            A                        PGM1+                EAP BA               AK1                    Hp2-1
Blood Sample           A                        Nil                        EAP BA              AK1                    Hp2-1

[Alias]

Lol.  I just googled "c-rap tests" and it came up with crap tests  :D . Honestly.  Yeah the penny has dropped 

And I thought you were being snotty....

[killingeve]

And I thought you were being snotty....

Me being snotty  . You know me better than that surely 

[Steve_uk]

Hi Alias,

this was the approach taken by Ewen Smith back at the beginning of 2004, but I think it was a hasty decision, and one which needed more consideration, particularly if two or more guns had been used in the shootings, and police had been responsible for tampering with the bullets and bullet cases in order to make this into a one gun crime...

It was not a one gun crime, three different weapons were involved in the shootings, which changes everything. If this was a case where both of the bullets which wounded and killed Sheila had been fired from the same gun, I admit it would be difficult for anyone to favour Jeremy's innocence, on the basis that there had been a sound moderator fitted at the time of the first non fatal shot, but an absence of a sound moderator when she was killed by the shot under the chin. Particularly, if you accept the prosecution argument that both shots had been inflicted with little or no time at all between both shots, and that she was either laid down or sat slightly upright when shot, with no opportunity for Sheila to have walked around at all, not even for a little bit...

Of course, we know now that she had been walking around in other victims blood after they had already been shot, and that police officers responsible for bagging up her feet at the scene falsely stated that her feet were spotlessly clean  you cannot say Bamber is guilty just because a sound moderator may have been used when she was shot once, but absent when the second shot was fired, unless you are convinced of it being a one gun crime. In my view, everything points to these killings being carried out by use of two guns or more, something which the police are desperately trying not to have to admit too, but it's true, at least three different guns were used in these shootings, and police are responsible for tampering with the ballistic evidence to get the conviction they got...

There's a further theory discussed in Andrew Hunter's book draft that Sheila was shot whilst struggling with Ralph(Nevill) in the kitchen,whereupon the silencer left the mark under the mantlepiece. As for the possibility of two guns Dr Vanezis could only match 15 of the 25 bullets to the .22 anschutz. The Defence also need to explain  why there were no fingerprints at all on any of the bullets if Jeremy had handled the Eley ammunition to load the rifle the previous evening.

[Jane]

There's a further theory discussed in Andrew Hunter's book draft that Sheila was shot whilst struggling with Ralph(Nevill) in the kitchen,whereupon the silencer left the mark under the mantlepiece. As for the possibility of two guns Dr Vanezis could only match 15 of the 25 bullets to the .22 anschutz. The Defence also need to explain  why there were no fingerprints at all on any of the bullets if Jeremy had handled the Eley ammunition to load the rifle the previous evening.

Not to mention the numerous others who'd handled them. Good Evening Steve

[susan]

april exactly so many would have handled the ammunition steve it does not make sense that a silencer was used at all.  Firstly if Jeremy had used it he would not have been stupid enough to put it back in the box into the cupboard he would have disposed of it and secondly if Sheila had used it she would not have put it back in a box into a cupboard it would have been left where she had last used it.