She's got the gun

[Bridget]

Bridget, I cannot see how she slept through that mayhem. Mothers are alert to the smallest sound their children make, not to mention built in radar to alert them to danger. I'm convinced the bible passage wasn't coincidental and even more convinced that Jeremy knew too little of the bible to find it. The more I make myself think about the utter devastation and carnage, the more convinced I am that he didn't do it. I think at some point his nerve would have failed.

Sorry missed this earlier April.

I'll leave it to Steve to fill in the details of how alert Sheila was! As to the bible passage, I agree that JB would not have known how to find that passage, but I'm not convinced the passage has the relevance it has been attributed with. For argument's sake, if the passage is relevant it's possible that the bible was already open at that page on the side, and JB simply put it on the body still open at the same page.

[Patti]

Well there's anti Jane and anti beryl for starters. I personally do not believe in any third party. Strange that JB had no injuries or forensic evidence on him or at his place though? I also think that had he killed his whole family who would have had to contend with a wild womam who had either just watched her two sons murdered. This in itself would pose a great problem for JB as well as having to withstand both June and Ralph, who we are reminded constantly that he was a big 6 foot strapping strong man. Also I just cannot picture Sheila just calmly laying dound after all that mayhem inviting JB to shoot her. Plus the other bodies were a mess. Hers was not.

Do you mean Bessie's lol 

[Alias]

I´ll just answer it myself then: Jeremy went into that house thinking: Sheila will conveniently sleep through the gunshots, screams and barking, so I can wake her up when all the others are dead to stage her suicide.

NOT.

[Patti]

I´ll just answer it myself then: Jeremy went into that house thinking: Sheila will conveniently sleep through the gunshots, screams and barking, so I can wake her up when all the others are dead to stage her suicide.

NOT.

You talking to your self Alias...I don't think she slept through it either, it doesn't make sense.   

[Jane]

Sorry missed this earlier April.

I'll leave it to Steve to fill in the details of how alert Sheila was! As to the bible passage, I agree that JB would not have known how to find that passage, but I'm not convinced the passage has the relevance it has been attributed with. For argument's sake, if the passage is relevant it's possible that the bible was already open at that page on the side, and JB simply put it on the body still open at the same page.

Bridget, one of the problems I have is with all the little "extras" that are attributed to Jeremy. OK, mostly by Steve :D He "arranges" Sheila's body. He places a bible strategically. He takes the trouble to "brand" his father, something which must have taken considerable time because whatever was used must have need reheating. It would, IMO, have required total calm. A total disregard for the carnage and detritus of so many deaths. This is why I believe who ever was responsible must have been almost unaware of what they were doing. I don't think Jeremy could have done that, cycled home, calmed himself down to the point where he was coherent enough to call the police and then return to the farmhouse without visualizing what he had done inside it.  I think at some point he would have gone into shock. It wasn't as if he had a background of violence.

[Jane]

You talking to your self Alias...I don't think she slept through it either, it doesn't make sense.   

Sorry Alias, didn't mean to ignore you. That's a NOT from me, too

[Alias]

You talking to your self Alias...I don't think she slept through it either, it doesn't make sense.   

When you try to put yourself into "Jeremy the murderer´s" shoes and imagine how he had this planned out - it becomes impossible. To me it does at least, impossible and absurd. If he did it, he had an accomplice, I am convinced of that.
Still am a fence sitter, Patti, always have been. There is a possibility Jeremy did it, but not alone.

[Alias]

Sorry Alias, didn't mean to ignore you. That's a NOT from me, too

Don´t worry, I asked Bridget twice and she ignored my question. 

[Patti]

When you try to put yourself into "Jeremy the murderer´s" shoes and imagine how he had this planned out - it becomes impossible. To me it does at least, impossible and absurd. If he did it, he had an accomplice, I am convinced of that.
Still am a fence sitter, Patti, always have been. There is a possibility Jeremy did it, but not alone.

Your'e not on your own Alias, I have thought about the same., many times...I just can't see him doing it, then sometimes I can't see Sheila doing it.....I don;t go with the 3rd party, but I am very interested should any evidence comes to light to suggest it...

[Jane]

When you try to put yourself into "Jeremy the murderer´s" shoes and imagine how he had this planned out - it becomes impossible. To me it does at least, impossible and absurd. If he did it, he had an accomplice, I am convinced of that.
Still am a fence sitter, Patti, always have been. There is a possibility Jeremy did it, but not alone.

Steve would have us believe that he's planned it for the best part of a year, but took the final decision in the tractor cab that day IF he was stupid enough to do that, he certainly didn't take any variables into account. He couldn't possibly know for certain what was going to happen once the shooting started so how could it be planned for. That alone would surely have made him go in, do the job asap, and get the hell out without taking time out to "decorate" his work.

[Lugg]

Steve would have us believe that he's planned it for the best part of a year, but took the final decision in the tractor cab that day IF he was stupid enough to do that, he certainly didn't take any variables into account. He couldn't possibly know for certain what was going to happen once the shooting started so how could it be planned for. That alone would surely have made him go in, do the job asap, and get the hell out without taking time out to "decorate" his work.

If he did plan it all for a year, then it was a shoddy bit of planning I'd say. If he did then why all these senarios on the forum? We'd know exactly how he did it.

[Jane]

If he did plan it all for a year, then it was a shoddy bit of planning I'd say. If he did then why all these senarios on the forum? We'd know exactly how he did it.

Lugg, at the moment(!) I can't see Jeremy doing it. It was done by somebody whose ability to reason was absent OR someone who did similar work so frequently that they'd become desensitized.

[Bridget]

Don´t worry, I asked Bridget twice and she ignored my question. 

Asked me what twice?

[Alias]

Asked me what twice?

How Jeremy could count on Sheila sleeping through it all until he needed her to stage her suicide. 

[Bridget]

How Jeremy could count on Sheila sleeping through it all until he needed her to stage her suicide. 

I answered you in reply #310