Renault are Bankrupt

[campion]

 Before anybody jumps in, this thread is about a miscarriage of justice where corrupt manufacturers through their dealerships, switch off parts of a cars computer so when it goes wrong it is out of warranty and they don't have to pay for the repair leaving the liability with the consumer. These people should be in jail. More to follow, please keep comments brief as there is a full investigation to post. Thank You for Your patience it will be worth it.    Campion Junior

[Lugg]

Before anybody jumps in, this thread is about a miscarriage of justice where corrupt manufacturers through their dealerships, switch off parts of a cars computer so when it goes wrong it is out of warranty and they don't have to pay for the repair leaving the liability with the consumer. These people should be in jail. More to follow, please keep comments brief as there is a full investigation to post. Thank You for Your patience it will be worth it.    Campion Junior

No luck with your complaint to Renault then Campion?

[campion]

 It is hard to judge if its called luck, I just happened to be on the M25 last week and was approaching the exit slip road for Rickmansworth when I lost control of the steering and the car I was driving managed to negotiate the roundabout before ending up smack bang in the front car park of Renault UK Headquarters. Seeing it as an unexpected opportunity, My family do own one of their cars that has some issues, ( I'll get to them shortly ), I decided to go in, seeing as there was only one free parking space and I'd managed to nab it by pure fluke ! On entering Renault HQ, I made an enquiry at reception and told the receptionist what the problem was. She was very polite and showed me to a seating area, it was at this point I made a startling observation. The receptionist had a fabulous pair of legs, anyway I digress, She said she would speak to Customer Complaints and some one would see Me shortly. If anyone has tried ringing Renault Customer Services ( I think thats what they are called ) You will notice the number has recently changed to a premium rate one, after going through the automated choice programme which lasts about 4 minutes, the voice tells You that no one is available to take your call at the moment, as You are in a queue, and then You hear a really irritating tune that keeps repeating itself,it gets so bad that after about ten more minutes of hearing it, an urge to kill yourself takes hold and I have to hang up. The amount of time I have spent trying to contact Renault over the phone has cost a small fortune at premium rates, in all honesty I would be better off ringing BabeStation, at least after ten minutes I'd feel a sense of acheivement, ( if You will ). That doesn't matter because there I was in Renault UK HQ, and I was going to meet Customer Care in person, due to the unannounced and spontaneous nature of my arrival, surprise being the operative word, Renault UK had to speak to Me. As luck would also have it I had accidently put the complaint file in the car before I had set off in the morning. I was starting to get a feeling of serendipity, just then, two women walked over to where I was sitting and told Me they were from Customer Relations, the woman who I had spoken to previously by phone was on holiday, so was unable to deal with Me in person. It was at this stage I made another startling observation, both women had fabulous legs. You all must know the old saying, once is an accident, twice is a coincidence and three times is a conpsiracy. Well, I don't know about the conspiracy bit, but the three of them all looked like they did a lot of walking, and If like Me they owned a Renault, that would explain a lot, because after buying a Renault, I found I was doing a lot more walking than I used to myself......... More to Follow !!!!!!!   

[Jo]

So, you've had 4 wheels removed and replaced by 4 nice legs and put 2 legs in the boot for spares? 
The issue is whether this has corrected the steering issue-probably not.

[Lugg]

Very interesting Campion. I can't wait for the second instalment. By the way I noticed this morning that your fuschias have got black fly. What do you use to get rid of them?

[campion]

 As it was appearing to be My lucky day, surrounded by leggy women, and just happening to have the recently obtained CONFIDENTIAL RENAULT TECHNICAL NOTE FOR INTERNAL EYES ONLY DATED JANUARY 2007 EDITION FRANCAISE 4563A, which coincidently replaced the INTERNAL TECHNICAL NOTE of June 2006 for parts necessary due to the mechanical deteriotation of the turbocharger on the MEGANE II, SCENIC II, ESPACE IV and MY one, THE LAGUNA II, equipe du moteur F9Q," Granite Smile," ( they were playing good cop bad cop ) asked if She could make some copies of what I had with Me, I, of course obliged willingly, She offered not a hint of change in facial expression, and dissapeared. It was now that I rode my Luck, fixing the leggy good cop woman with My best " In A Heart Beat Honey " look, I challenged the reliability of the Laguna's computer engine management system. As I our gaze met ,I said " that car had a brain, it new it was ill ". As I had given the car the " Disney Factor " her eyes became tearful, Her Lip trembled, and I struck with the cunning of a mongoose, I said " The recovery people I had called out, couldn't get into the Laguna's management system. The car had made a loud clonk before the onboard computer had reported malfunction and disabled the engine. It was still under warranty, and the only people who could switch it back on were Renault Technicians, Who did, and they said the fuel pipe had got a minute hole in it, and that was the cause of the problem. As I now know from 4563A, this was in fact the Garrat Turbo deterioating, because its all in the CONFIDENTIAL REPORT, RENAULT HAVE A YELLOW OTS scheme to repair and replace parts at their expense, providing the vehicle has not done more than 150,000kms which is about 93,000 miles. The car I  bought  had done 61,000 miles. With in the space of one year of light use the LAGUNA would be DEAD. And now I KNEW WHAT THOSE LIEING BASTARDS WERE DOING.......... They were by-passing the vehicles computer with false information. And good cop knows I know. And now so does everybody else.... More Shortly.....

[Lugg]

As it was appearing to be My lucky day, surrounded by leggy women, and just happening to have the recently obtained CONFIDENTIAL RENAULT TECHNICAL NOTE FOR INTERNAL EYES ONLY DATED JANUARY 2007 EDITION FRANCAISE 4563A, which coincidently replaced the INTERNAL TECHNICAL NOTE of June 2006 for parts necessary due to the mechanical deteriotation of the turbocharger on the MEGANE II, SCENIC II, ESPACE IV and MY one, THE LAGUNA II, equipe du moteur F9Q," Granite Smile," ( they were playing good cop bad cop ) asked if She could make some copies of what I had with Me, I, of course obliged willingly, She offered not a hint of change in facial expression, and dissapeared. It was now that I rode my Luck, fixing the leggy good cop woman with My best " In A Heart Beat Honey " look, I challenged the reliability of the Laguna's computer engine management system. As I our gaze met ,I said " that car had a brain, it new it was ill ". As I had given the car the " Disney Factor " her eyes became tearful, Her Lip trembled, and I struck with the cunning of a mongoose, I said " The recovery people I had called out, couldn't get into the Laguna's management system. The car had made a loud clonk before the onboard computer had reported malfunction and disabled the engine. It was still under warranty, and the only people who could switch it back on were Renault Technicians, Who did, and they said the fuel pipe had got a minute hole in it, and that was the cause of the problem. As I now know from 4563A, this was in fact the Garrat Turbo deterioating, because its all in the CONFIDENTIAL REPORT, RENAULT HAVE A YELLOW OTS scheme to repair and replace parts at their expense, providing the vehicle has not done more than 150,000kms which is about 93,000 miles. The car I  bought  had done 61,000 miles. With in the space of one year of light use the LAGUNA would be DEAD. And now I KNEW WHAT THOSE LIEING BASTARDS WERE DOING.......... They were by-passing the vehicles computer with false information. And good cop knows I know. And now so does everybody else.... More Shortly.....

I had a Laguna 2 ltr automatic. The gearboxes are rubbish. A lot of them pack up after 60,000.

[campion]

 When the Renault Laguna D Sport Tourer 1.9 dci 130 Dynamique died, the autopsy report carried out by Renault stated that the car which had been registered 01,02,2006 and owned by Arval, a BNP Paribas company whose senior directors  also hold similar positions at Renault, on like some form of rotation basis ? had by April 2011 suffered from engine failure. The repair estimate said this: The vehicle was recovered as non start - upon initial inspection the engine would not turn over or run. Internal inspection of the engine was required to confirm failure. Diagnostic costs authorised to strip the cylinder head and inspect further. After removal of the cylinder head it was found : The piston and exhaust valve in cylinder 2 had melted and the exhaust valve in cylinder 4 had also melted. The cylinder head at cylinder 4 had also melted between the valve heads. Unable to ascertain cause of failure. Will require new engine to repair. Those of You familiar with turbo failure may know that when deteriotion takes place the turbo dumps engine oil into the cylinders. When the vehicle shows signs of pre ignition ( the engine will not switch off until it has finished burning the oil ) death of the car is iminent. Good old 4563A lists all engines of concern, F9Q 750 Laguna engine no. C004117 is on that list and as I told the leggy good cop ice queen these details, like my pistons, she started to melt....... More coming soon !!!!! 

[Lugg]

When the Renault Laguna D Sport Tourer 1.9 dci 130 Dynamique died, the autopsy report carried out by Renault stated that the car which had been registered 01,02,2006 and owned by Arval, a BNP Paribas company whose senior directors  also hold similar positions at Renault, on like some form of rotation basis ? had by April 2011 suffered from engine failure. The repair estimate said this: The vehicle was recovered as non start - upon initial inspection the engine would not turn over or run. Internal inspection of the engine was required to confirm failure. Diagnostic costs authorised to strip the cylinder head and inspect further. After removal of the cylinder head it was found : The piston and exhaust valve in cylinder 2 had melted and the exhaust valve in cylinder 4 had also melted. The cylinder head at cylinder 4 had also melted between the valve heads. Unable to ascertain cause of failure. Will require new engine to repair. Those of You familiar with turbo failure may know that when deteriotion takes place the turbo dumps engine oil into the cylinders. When the vehicle shows signs of pre ignition ( the engine will not switch off until it has finished burning the oil ) death of the car is iminent. Good old 4563A lists all engines of concern, F9Q 750 Laguna engine no. C004117 is on that list and as I told the leggy good cop ice queen these details, like my pistons, she started to melt....... More coming soon !!!!!

My friend had that problem with his diesel turbo. He was on the A12 at the time. The oil was being drawn from the sump and there was no way to switch it off. It just keeps running until the engine blows up. One reason I won't ever have a diesel turbo car.

[campion]

 With new car registrations coming out twice a year, the dealerships are brimming with " Nearly New " cars, that they are eager to shift. Before leaving Renault (UK) LTD : note the limited bit : it became apparant that there were one or two Japanese staff, not a stripey shirted beret wearing frog in sight, at Rivers Office Park, Denham Way, Maple Cross, Rickmansworth, WD3 9YS, which coincidently is next door to Nissans UK Head Office. Will, Thierry Sideboard Renault UK's CEO suddenly become MR Takimoto by the end of this year. Little detail so very nearly missed Renault UK tel no 01923 895000 ( big thank you to a former Green Jacket for that ). The following list of serial numbers may be of use to some.......

         Megane II BM0 G   D000006------D063799
                                       E000015------E359396
                          BM1 G   D000728------D058509
                                       E000537------E105270
                          CM0  G  E000007------E059231
                          CM1  G  E001079------E057125
                          EM0  G   D000090------D000952
                          EM1  G   D000538------D000653
                          KM0  G   E000018------E008925
                          KM1  G   E000121------E005011
                          LM0  G   R000006------R023134
                          LM1  G   R000062------R008502

         Scenic II    JM0   G  D000013------D179381
                          JM1   G  D001806------D045072
     
         Laguna II  BG0   G  S000008------S575276
                          KG0    G S000002------S430527

         Espace IV  JK0    G S000058------S059912
                           JK0   U  S000130------S062431

                   Engines Of Concern


     F9Q 750 engine     C000001---------C326443
             800                C000001---------C095692
             812                C000001---------C024721
             820                C000001---------C009233



 Please note all these numbers are those in Confidential Renault note 4563 A                         

[big-goolies]

those Renault Turbo Diesels are terrible for problem.  Its something to do with the turbo force feeding the engine its own engine oil.

[big-goolies]

the engine oil in a turbo diesel should be changed regularly and with a good quality 'turbo' diesel oil
i replace the oil in my Pug 206 1.4 Hdi every 6000 miles even though the service interval is at least double the mileage

[campion]

 Will Renault UK honour their own Yellow OTS scheme, according to "Granite Smile" This week I will receive confirmation that no compensation will be offered. That woman could snowboard in Kloisters "commando" and Her friends would never know. On that note I won't buy Renault again and I wouldn't want one as a gift. All Motor Manufacturers be aware of this, Your Franchise Dealerships Rip Us Off with overpriced spares, services that are wrong, unnecessary work and storage charges of £15 per day. It is cheaper to book the car into the Holiday Inn than one of Your Garages, and in these challenging times Your Customers are Your Salvation. Roaming the twittersphere as I write is an unknown assasin, whose identity is a mystery to all, like a martini, they show up anytime, anyplace,anywhere and as the old saying goes " It Ain't All Over Till nugnug's Tweeted "and Renault UK "You've been nugnugged".    Thierry Sideboard " Your Cars Are Shit And Your Mother Smells Of Onions !!!

                    This is not the end    THIS IS THE BEGINNING........ Goodnight   

[big-goolies]

Renault 1.2L 8 valve engines fitted in Kangoos and Clios have a recurring problem with TDC sensor failure. As if it wasnt enough that they can charge approx £30 plus labour to fit a new sensor but about 3 years ago they changed the plug on the sensor so that older cars then needed a new piece of wiring.... they charge an extra +£30 for new part....
Someone at Renault has a lot to answer for to this piece of genius , its probably made Renault a lot of extra money

[Lugg]

Will Renault UK honour their own Yellow OTS scheme, according to "Granite Smile" This week I will receive confirmation that no compensation will be offered. That woman could snowboard in Kloisters "commando" and Her friends would never know. On that note I won't buy Renault again and I wouldn't want one as a gift. All Motor Manufacturers be aware of this, Your Franchise Dealerships Rip Us Off with overpriced spares, services that are wrong, unnecessary work and storage charges of £15 per day. It is cheaper to book the car into the Holiday Inn than one of Your Garages, and in these challenging times Your Customers are Your Salvation. Roaming the twittersphere as I write is an unknown assasin, whose identity is a mystery to all, like a martini, they show up anytime, anyplace,anywhere and as the old saying goes " It Ain't All Over Till nugnug's Tweeted "and Renault UK "You've been nugnugged".    Thierry Sideboard " Your Cars Are Shit And Your Mother Smells Of Onions !!!

                    This is not the end    THIS IS THE BEGINNING........ Goodnight

What was their excuse not to pay you compensation Campion? Tell you what I did to get my money back from Dell computers. I jointly owned Signforums.com at the time. I told my story to the 3000 members and they all emailed Dell. In the end they begged me to tell them to stop and they paid me my money.