The case of Madeleine McCann

[handymanz]

Maybe i've asked you this before, handyman, but are you anywhere near to Noel Edmonds restaurant?

No, he's in the South Island I'm in the North Island. There was a recent TV series here featuring Noel Edmonds over the trials and tribulations of him running his hospitality venture.

[Cambridgecutie]

The article starts off with "disgraced cop" so straight away you can see where it's going.
The fridge theory pops up quite a lot in the comments section of some of the MM related youtube videos.
Particularly the fridge in the McCanns new apartment breaking down and Gerry taking it upon himself to go out and replace it (even mentioning it on his blog). If this was so you'd expect Amaral to have jumped all over it.

I read somewhere that it was Amaral's idea to bring in the sniffer dogs, he had a lot riding on it. So is it possible the scent could have been planted.
There's a famous case down here in NZ where the cops were caught out planting evidence to get their prime suspect convicted.

Nice overview of the apartment.

But the layout of 5A shows the front door, which overlooks the car park, as leading to the patio?

[Cambridgecutie]

The diagram states the window and shutter were the main source of the investigation which imo was nothing more than a big fat red herring. 

The abductor entered via the unlocked patio door, opened the front door (that overlooks the car park), opened the shutter and window (to throw everyone), scooped up MM and straight out the front door shutting it behind them and into a waiting car.

The next red herring was the sighting by Jane Tanner which for years everyone thought was MM's abductor carrying her in arms until Dr Totman came forward and said it was him carrying his daughter.

I find it amazing that the PJ did not knock on PF's door on 3rd May asking if she saw or heard anything.  She was literally a few meters away, above, when MM was abducted.  I think it was former UK police officer, Colin Sutton,  who said you always start off clearing the ground beneath your feet before moving on.  Sounds very sensible and logical to me.

[handymanz]

But the layout of 5A shows the front door, which overlooks the car park, as leading to the patio?

Are you saying that what has been labeled as the 'door to patio' is the actual front door (to the dwelling) and is back from the property's perimeter door?  Which in turn would be described as the outside gate/ entrance to the property.
Thus, meaning there would be 2 actual entrance doors for gaining access to get inside the dwelling.

[Cambridgecutie]

Are you saying that what has been labeled as the 'door to patio' is the actual front door (to the dwelling) and is back from the property's perimeter door?  Which in turn would be described as the outside gate/ entrance to the property.
Thus, meaning there would be 2 actual entrance doors for gaining access to get inside the dwelling.

There's the small, what appears to be metal and yellow in colour, gate situated at ground level on the street which leads up the steps to the patio area of 5A.  Then there's the patio doors which can only be locked from the inside.  All of this overlooks the pool, tennis courts, tapas bar, ocean etc.  Then the other side of the property, which is considered the front and overlooks the car park, is a standard door which when shut requires a key to open it from outside but can be opened inside without a key. 

I believe MM's abductor entered via the unlocked patio doors and exited with MM via the front door. 

[handymanz]

There's the small, what appears to be metal and yellow in colour, gate situated at ground level on the street which leads up the steps to the patio area of 5A.  Then there's the patio doors which can only be locked from the inside.  All of this overlooks the pool, tennis courts, tapas bar, ocean etc.  Then the other side of the property, which is considered the front and overlooks the car park, is a standard door which when shut requires a key to open it from outside but can be opened inside without a key. 

I believe MM's abductor entered via the unlocked patio doors and exited with MM via the front door.

I think I get it; the diagram of the apartment layout has been miss labelled.
The patio doors are what could be termed French Doors leading out from the Livingroom with the blue sofa. The Front door being what is labelled as the patio door.

With the patio (french) doors overlooking the pool, tennis courts, tapas bar, ocean etc wouldn't there be a high risk of being seen on entering the apartment.

[snow66!]

No, he's in the South Island I'm in the North Island. There was a recent TV series here featuring Noel Edmonds over the trials and tribulations of him running his hospitality venture.

Gotya, handyman! Yes, the series was shown in the UK too.

[snow66!]

The diagram states the window and shutter were the main source of the investigation which imo was nothing more than a big fat red herring. 

The abductor entered via the unlocked patio door, opened the front door (that overlooks the car park), opened the shutter and window (to throw everyone), scooped up MM and straight out the front door shutting it behind them and into a waiting car.

The next red herring was the sighting by Jane Tanner which for years everyone thought was MM's abductor carrying her in arms until Dr Totman came forward and said it was him carrying his daughter.

I find it amazing that the PJ did not knock on PF's door on 3rd May asking if she saw or heard anything.  She was literally a few meters away, above, when MM was abducted.  I think it was former UK police officer, Colin Sutton,  who said you always start off clearing the ground beneath your feet before moving on.  Sounds very sensible and logical to me.

Yes, but it was pointed out in a video that Dr Totman[who I believe was also staying at the same complex?] was actually walking away from the apartments when Jane Tanner saw him with child?

[Cambridgecutie]

I think I get it; the diagram of the apartment layout has been miss labelled.
The patio doors are what could be termed French Doors leading out from the Livingroom with the blue sofa. The Front door being what is labelled as the patio door.

Yes.

With the patio (french) doors overlooking the pool, tennis courts, tapas bar, ocean etc wouldn't there be a high risk of being seen on entering the apartment.

It was early season meaning it was quiet and dark.  I think once through the yellow side gate it was well hidden.  The car park side was very dark and hidden.  One of the female members of T7, I think it was FP, said she didn't like walking around there at night alone. 

No one said they saw MO enter at around 9.30pm but by all accounts he did.

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes, but it was pointed out in a video that Dr Totman[who I believe was also staying at the same complex?] was actually walking away from the apartments when Jane Tanner saw him with child?

Dr Totman was staying at OC block 4.  I believe Tannerman and Dr Totman are one and the same:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-detectives-spent-four-12495545

[snow66!]

Dr Totman was staying at OC block 4.  I believe Tannerman and Dr Totman are one and the same:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-detectives-spent-four-12495545

That article says very little about Tannerman, Cutie!
As I was saying, Jane says she saw the man and child crossing at the top of the road heading away from the complex, actually going in the direction of the creche, not heading home from it.
So what is the Totman story, was he coming home from the creche when JT saw him or walking towards it, away from the complex as it were?
Check out Jane Tanners statements and the reconstruction videos!

[snow66!]

The thing is, Tannerman would never have been treated as a possible suspect if he was heading towards the complex.
Jane Tanner reported 'Tannerman and child' to the police because in hindsight she thought it may have been Maddie being abducted, right? Surely this means the man and child were heading away from the complex and not towards it? Else it makes no sense!
So again, why was Totman [if it was him?] heading away from the complex in the direction of the creche?
Do we have a Totman statement?

[snow66!]

Yes, it clearly states in all the newspaper articles that Julian Totman was carrying his child 'home from the creche', which does not align with Jane Tanner witnessing someone heading away from the complex in the opposite direction!
How did the cops explain this anomaly?
How could the cops accept that Totman and Tannerman were one and the same when they were walking in different directions?

[Cambridgecutie]

That article says very little about Tannerman, Cutie!
As I was saying, Jane says she saw the man and child crossing at the top of the road heading away from the complex, actually going in the direction of the creche, not heading home from it.
So what is the Totman story, was he coming home from the creche when JT saw him or walking towards it, away from the complex as it were?
Check out Jane Tanners statements and the reconstruction videos!

Dr Totman said in 2007 in all probability it was him as a) he was in that vicinity at that time b) he was carrying his daughter who matched JT's description and c) JT's description of the male matched Dr Totman in terms of his hair and what he was wearing.  What more do you want?

You have to accept that witness testimony that relies on memory is not like replaying cctv.  Even when people are trying to be accurate and truthful they will recall things differently based on memory, perception and lots of other factors.  It is the same as timings where there's no digital footprint.  Think about this case and JB's in terms of the child checking and phone calls.  There is no digital footprint.  No single reliable data point.  You have to accept a certain level of ambiguity and go with the flow.  Fine tuning if more reliable data presents. 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6225547/madeleine-mccann-gp-sighting-waste/

[snow66!]

Dr Totman said in 2007 in all probability it was him as a) he was in that vicinity at that time b) he was carrying his daughter who matched JT's description and c) JT's description of the male matched Dr Totman in terms of his hair and what he was wearing.  What more do you want?

You have to accept that witness testimony that relies on memory is not like replaying cctv.  Even when people are trying to be accurate and truthful they will recall things differently based on memory, perception and lots of other factors.  It is the same as timings where there's no digital footprint.  Think about this case and JB's in terms of the child checking and phone calls.  There is no digital footprint.  No single reliable data point.  You have to accept a certain level of ambiguity and go with the flow.  Fine tuning if more reliable data presents. 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6225547/madeleine-mccann-gp-sighting-waste/

But in that same article from the Sun,it states at the bottom....
            'The British Police investigation has now been scaled down and is likely to be shelved in October.
 But one retired Met Police detective, who visited the resort with the Sun, is convinced Jane Tanner saw the real abductor.
 Ian Horrocks said the man Ms Tanner saw had been walking from west to east, while Totman would have gone the opposite way.'....
So, as you can see from your own Sun article even, Cutie, the direction of Totman/Tannerman is indeed an issue for some!
How can you rule out Tannerman being mr Tranmer? Have we any idea what mr Tranmer looked like?