The case of Madeleine McCann

[Cambridgecutie]

She may have been embellishing as to the apartment's view. I can't see anything serious enough to warrant her being a suspect in Madeleine's disappearance.

DC1485'When you are on the terrace, to which direction are you turned'

CT'We are turned to a beautiful view of the ocean and all the clay roofs of the village, where one can see the pool, the reception area, the pool zone, the tennis courts, and one could see the roof of the Tapas bar. There are trees and bushes between all of this, so when one looks out, there are only roof tops, the small homes and other villas. It is an incredible view.


And then further on in the interview:

DC1485'Did you go to the Tapas Bar with your aunt'

CT'No, no, no it was not there when I visited the last time, and it is something very recent; I believe that it was built about a year ago and I was there before the Tapas Bar was constructed. I think it was a part of the reception or something similar. We were not there before. It is very new.

She said she could see the roof of the tapas bar from PF's balcony and then further on in the interview when asked if she went there said it was not built?!  To my mind she is attemtping to distance herself from having any knowledge of the McCanns nightly ritual.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROL_TRANMER.htm

[snow66!]

Helge Busching is a significant witness because he initially contacted Scotland Yard in 2008 and then the German police in 2017 about what Bruckner said to him. This was long before the German authorities revealed Bruckener as a suspect. So you cannot accuse him of making things up after the fact.

That's a good point, Dave!

[Cambridgecutie]

Helge Busching is a significant witness because he initially contacted Scotland Yard in 2008 and then the German police in 2017 about what Bruckner said to him. This was long before the German authorities revealed Bruckener as a suspect. So you cannot accuse him of making things up after the fact.

What evidence exists that HB made contact as you have described.  HB is/was a career criminal not sure why you deem him reliable but JM unreliable?

[Cambridgecutie]

That's a good point, Dave!

Have you seen evidence of David's claims?

[handymanz]

DC1485'When you are on the terrace, to which direction are you turned'

CT'We are turned to a beautiful view of the ocean and all the clay roofs of the village, where one can see the pool, the reception area, the pool zone, the tennis courts, and one could see the roof of the Tapas bar. There are trees and bushes between all of this, so when one looks out, there are only roof tops, the small homes and other villas. It is an incredible view.


And then further on in the interview:

DC1485'Did you go to the Tapas Bar with your aunt'

CT'No, no, no it was not there when I visited the last time, and it is something very recent; I believe that it was built about a year ago and I was there before the Tapas Bar was constructed. I think it was a part of the reception or something similar. We were not there before. It is very new.

She said she could see the roof of the tapas bar from PF's balcony and then further on in the interview when asked if she went there said it was not built?!  To my mind she is attemtping to distance herself from having any knowledge of the McCanns nightly ritual.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROL_TRANMER.htm

As I have said before, when she says the last time (past tense) we visited she is referring to the 2003 visit. Although she said this in April 2008, it was a continuation of her 2007 statement. (present tense)

[handymanz]

I doubt it.  She might even still be contributing to Algarve photography I only had a quick look but from the quick look it appeared she stopped contributing around 2020.  If its correct could be loads of reasons why.  I very much doubt she is aware of the Red forum or this forum

Like a lot of things back then the pandemic probably put the kybosh on it.

[handymanz]

Isn't it more likely CAT simply made up some fictitious person to interject herself, and by definition her husband, as witnesses before investigators sought them out as potential witnesses and suspects being as they were in such close proximity? 

If she is guilty yes most definitely.

[Cambridgecutie]

As I have said before, when she says the last time (past tense) we visited she is referring to the 2003 visit. Although she said this in April 2008, it was a continuation of her 2007 statement. (present tense)

No. The DC is interested in whether she went to the TB in 2007 not 2003.  She is also asked whether she went to the pool, tennis courts or creche (2007).  Why would the DC be interested in whether she went to the TB in 2003? 

In fact he does not even ask her about previous visits until after he asked the above.

DC1485'Did you go to the Tapas Bar with your aunt'

CT'No, no, no it was not there when I visited the last time, and it is something very recent; I believe that it was built about a year ago and I was there before the Tapas Bar was constructed. I think it was a part of the reception or something similar. We were not there before. It is very new.

DC1485'And the courts, did you visit the tennis courts'

CT'No, we do not play tennis and we did not swim in the pool.

DC1485'You did not use the pool'

CT'No.

DC1485'And the cr'he'did you go to the cr'he zone where the children were'

CT'No, I would not go to the cr'he as there was no reason to.

DC1485'Okay. How many times were you there exactly'

CT'Hum... in Portugal or in Luz'

DC1485'Okay, in this resort'

CT'A few times, perhaps three; the first time was when my aunt moved in 2003 or 2004 and after that for a week. My brother dies in 2003 and I remember that my uncle, Aunt Pamela's husband, died in June of 2003. As there were four deaths in our family in the first four months of that year, the time of her move has stayed in my memory.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'And, she was very upset with all of it, and I was trying to help her cope along with dealing with my twin brother's death. For this reason, I went to visit her for a week in February in 2004. It was my first time in that place but we had already been in Luz before that when we went to Portugal as tourists. After that, we went a second time with my husband and stayed in (inaudible) a small fishing village about 10 minutes from Luz. We have already been in Portugal many times, but to visit Luz only three times.

Bearing in mind this interview was April 2008. 

[Cambridgecutie]

And she didn't visit in 2003 it was 2004. 

[handymanz]

No. The DC is interested in whether she went to the TB in 2007 not 2003.  She is also asked whether she went to the pool, tennis courts or creche (2007).  Why would the DC be interested in whether she went to the TB in 2003?

Sorry I meant the 2004 visit or whenever the last visit was before April/ May 2007.

[handymanz]

And when asked about her last visit CAT may have interpreted it as being asked about her last visit prior to April/ May 2007.

[Cambridgecutie]

Sorry I meant the 2004 visit or whenever the last visit was before April/ May 2007.

But the DC is not going to be interested in whether she went to the TB in 2004.  He is asking her if she went to the TB, pool, tennis courts or creche during her 2007 visit.  She answers no to all but she makes a point of saying the TB was not even constructed and yet earlier in the interview she describes seeing the roof of the TB from PF's balcony.  This to my mind is her tripping herself up.  She is attempting to distance herself from any knowledge that the McCanns were at TB every night.

[handymanz]

But the DC is not going to be interested in whether she went to the TB in 2004.  He is asking her if she went to the TB, pool, tennis courts or creche during her 2007 visit.  She answers no to all but she makes a point of saying the TB was not even constructed and yet earlier in the interview she describes seeing the roof of the TB from PF's balcony.  This to my mind is her tripping herself up.  She is attempting to distance herself from any knowledge that the McCanns were at TB every night.

Yes she says she can see the roofs of the TB, not anyone seating there. Maybe one of the investigating officers should go onto PF's balcony and see if it is possible to see people dinning there.

[Cambridgecutie]

And when asked about her last visit CAT may have interpreted it as being asked about her last visit prior to April/ May 2007.

No.  He does not ask about any previous visits until after he asks the questions about the TB, pool, tennis courts and creche.  It is surely obvious to everyone the questions relate to the 2007 visit when MM disappeared.  This is the whole point of the interview.  She trips herself up because she wants him to think (and PJ because it was recorded for them) 'ah she didn't even know the TB was there'.

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes she says she can see the roofs of the TB, not anyone seating there. Maybe one of the investigating officers should go onto PF's balcony and see if it is possible to see people dinning there.

Of course she couldn't see anyone seated there.  Bearing in mind she is looking downwards/decline.  She describes seeing the roof of the tapas bar.  The interview moves on to other matters.  Then she is asked if she went to the tapas bar and she then states it was not even constructed when she was there in 2007 despite earlier saying she could see the roof.  Can you not see how she trips herself up?  She is clearly attemting to distance herself from knowledge that she knew the McCanns were at the TB every night.