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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3825 on: March 08, 2019, 07:48:AM »
The submerging of a cadaver in a bath tub of warm / hot water is a technique which is capable of distorting the inner body core temperature, and the onset of rigor mortis, but adopting such a tactic does not overcome the other known about processes in the death procedure..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3826 on: March 09, 2019, 09:48:PM »
The submerging of a cadaver in a bath tub of warm / hot water is a technique which is capable of distorting the inner body core temperature, and the onset of rigor mortis, but adopting such a tactic does not overcome the other known about processes in the death procedure..

Hypostasis...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3827 on: March 09, 2019, 09:50:PM »
Hypostasis...

Motling of the flesh?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3828 on: March 09, 2019, 09:54:PM »
An opportunity for a misinterpretation,, and a deception!.
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3829 on: March 09, 2019, 10:02:PM »
Opening the possibility for a display of the time as to the alleged timing of knowlege of the alleged facts, which supposedly highlight such inconsistencies, leaves a lot to be be desired..


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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3830 on: March 11, 2019, 08:54:AM »
Just to recap, Gerry McCann and Russell O'Brien leave tapas bar at 9pm to go to their apartment, or end up together at the McCann apartment concerned about the deterioration in Madeleine McCanns condition. A condition which came about through the administering of some medication to her on the evening of 2nd May 1987 in order to prevent a repeat of the prolonged crying episode which occurred on the evening 1st May 2007 (as witnessed by Mrs Fenn). As a result of Madeleine having been sedated the McCann parents went out to dine at tapas restaurant and returning to their apartment only to find that Madeleine had been sick all over her pink coloured pyjama set. Kate McCann washed these on the morning of 3rd May 2007. Later that day the McCann kids were sedated with the same medicine that had been administered to Madeleine on the previous evening (2nd), only a much lower dosage was given to Sean and Amelia because of the age difference between them and Madeleine. Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner medicated their own daughter using the same medication used on the McCann children, albeit it looks odds on the they didn't medicate their daughter on any earlier occasion, for example, not on the Evening of the 2nd May 2007, whereas, Madeleine McCann had been. The symptoms of sickness which applied to the O'Brien / Tanner daughter which flared up on the evening of 3rd May 2007, was a replication of what had flared up involving Madeleine McCann on the previous evening (2nd May 2007). It seems like that both children experienced the same symptoms one evening apart to one another. By the evening of 3rd May 2007, Madeleine may have been given her second lot of her medication, whereas the other two McCann siblings were given a low dosage of the same medication. Similarly, the O'Brien / Tanner daughter who was of similar age to Madeleine McCann, may have been given the same dosage as her.

This would help to explain why the McCann siblings (Sean and Amelia) slept soundly through all the drama which unfolded inside apartment 5a that evening...

McCann returned to the tapas bar from his 9pm apartment 5a visit just before 9.15pm. linked to this in the official narrative is the fact that Russell O'Brien had also left the tapas bar to do an apartment check, but he did not return to the tapas bar until just before 9.30pm. After McCann and O'Brien had left the tapas bar at 9pm, we then had Jane Tanner leaving the tapas bar at about 9.10pm, at which time she claims to see Gerry McCann and Jes Wilkins talking together in the street. Although neither McCann or Wilkins saw Jane Tanner pass them by in the same street. Tanner walks past McCann and Wilkins without saying hello, or acknowledging one another. The street in which all of this was going on is narrow, and I have walked it many times, and I have to say it would be impossible for you, I or they to not be aware or see someone else in the street at the same time as you. Tanner gets beyond McCann and Wilkins and she then sees a man carrying a child in his arms across the 'T' junction at the top of the street - this person became known as 'TANNERMAN'. Jane Tanner then claims she went to her own apartment. Now, what is interesting is that Jane Tanner claims that the only reason she left the tapas bar at 9.10pm was because she had growing concerns about the length of time that Gerry McCann had been away conducting his 9pm check! She appears not to have been concerned that her own partner Russell O'Brien had left the tapas bar at the same time that Gerry McCann did (9pm). This suggests that the real reason McCann and O'Brien had left the tapas bar together at 9pm, had been for an ulterior motive rather than it have been just to do a general check of their respective apartments. For example, 'concern for Madeleine McCanns Welfare'..

According to Jane Tanner's account, as she leaves the tapas bar restaurant at 9.10pm, she identifies Gerry McCann in the street, followed by the sighting of 'TANNERMAN', and then she goes to her own apartment, where RussellO'Brien is supposed to have been. So, we have Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner back at their apartment soon after the sighting of Gerry McCann talking to Jes Wilkins in the street, and the glimpse she had of 'Tannerman'. After this Gerry McCann returns to the tapas bar around 9.15pm..

Meanwhile an Ocean Club executive arrives to commence duty at the tapas bar at around 9.10pm. He fails to notice anyone in the street, no Gerry McCann, no Jez Wilkins, no Jane Tanner, and no 'TANNERMAN'. No sooner does the executive enter the tapas bar but he becomes aware of a commotion upon which as a result of his enquiry confirms that the commotion involved a couple who were sat at one of the tables and they were talking about the fact that a little girl belonging to an Ocean Club guest had gone missing. He observed and overheard these / this event at around 9.15pm...

How could the couple have known that Madeleine McCann had gone missing, some 45 minutes or more before Kate McCann raised the alarm after 10pm?

Well, by 9.15pm Gerry McCann had already returned to the tapas bar from his 9pm just. Was he delayed in returning to the tapas bar because Madeleine's condition had dramatically worsened, and was this the reason why Russell O'Brien did return to the tapas bar until just before 9.30pm - was O'Brien left at apartment 5a to keep a close eye on Madeleine whilst Gerry McCann returned to the tapas bar to alert Kate and the others concerning Madeleine's demise?

A couple named the Carpenters had been dining at a table in the tapas bar that evening, but left there to return to their own apartment between 9.15 - 9.30pm. As they were crossing the street in close proximity to the McCann apartment (5a), Charlotte Carpenter later recalled that she heard a person calling out the name, 'Madeliene, Madeleine'. Were the Carpenter couple the very same couple observed and overheard talking about a little 3 year old girl who had gone missing belonging to one of the Ocean Club Guests by an executive of the Ocean Club at about 9.15pm? It looks highly likely that the couple at the table on that occasion was the Carpenters..

But, how could they have known that Madeleine had gone missing (9.15pm) some 45 minutes or so prior to Kate McCann doing her 10pm check and she then alerting to everyone that Madeleine had been taken? The answer must lie in the fact that by that stage Gerry McCann had already returned to the tapas bar by 9.15pm. presumably, he had broken the news to Kate and the other couples around their table that Madeleine's condition had dramatically worsened, and that if she died, they would have to arrange to say that she had gone missing! He must have added that he had left Russell O'Brien monitoring Madeleine, adding that if she died within the next few moments they would have to report her missing and get her body out of there, and conceal it somewhere...

If this is what did happen, then not to be forgotten is the fact Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner were both absent from the tapas bar at the timing of these events (9.15pm). Were they both inside their own apartment, or both present in the McCann apartment, or were one or other of them, in their own apartment, or the McCann apartment, Or vice versa? Nevertheless, this becomes important with regard to the time when the Carpenter couple eventually left the tapas bar restaurant between 9.15 - 9.30pm - and which coincided with Charlotte Carpenter hearing a voice calling out the name, 'Madeliene, Madeline'..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3831 on: March 11, 2019, 08:58:AM »
The closer the departure time of the Carpenter couple from the tapas bar to 9.15pm, rather than 9.30pm, may provide a real clue as to how they could have known that the McCann parents were going to report their 3 year old daughter missing long before they could have reported her to be missing!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3832 on: March 11, 2019, 09:06:AM »
Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner were away from the tapas restaurant between 9pm - 9.28pm ( in the case of O'Brien), and 9.10pm thereafter (in the case of Tanner), which makes identification of the voice which Charlotte Carpenter overheard calling out the name 'Madeliene, Madeleine', really of some importance, because there were only two of the tapas group missing and absent from the tapas bar restaurant whichever time the Carpenter couple left the tapas bar between 9.15pm and 9.28pm. These were Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner..

Was it a 'Male' or a 'Female' voice which Charlotte Carpenter overheard someone calling out ' Madeleine, Madeliene', soon after leaving the tapas bar restaurant?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3833 on: March 11, 2019, 09:08:AM »

Was it a 'Male' or a 'Female' voice which Charlotte Carpenter overheard someone calling out ' Madeleine, Madeliene', soon after leaving the tapas bar restaurant?

Male voice - Russell O'Brien
Female voice - Jane Tanner..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3834 on: March 11, 2019, 09:11:AM »
Or..

Did Charlotte Carpenter hear two voices, one male, and the other female, each calling out, the name of 'Madeliene', one following on from the other?

Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien, or vice versa?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3835 on: March 11, 2019, 09:17:AM »
Or..

Did Charlotte Carpenter hear two voices, one male, and the other female, each calling out, the name of 'Madeliene', one following on from the other?

Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien, or vice versa?

Which ever way that you look at it, one thing looks large and with complete certainty, and that is that neither McCann Parent could have found Madeleine taken, not by 9.15pm or shortly after 10pm, because the person or people who did discover Madeliene to have died were in fact Russell O'Brien ( and possibly Jane Tanner). A fact supported by Russell O'Briens coincidental return to the tapas bar restaurant just before 9.30pm, to inform the McCann parents and the others that Madeleine had died back in the apartment...

The overheard name calling ('Madeliene, Madeliene') by Charlotte Carpenter adding the detail around the actual process unfolding in real time...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3836 on: March 11, 2019, 09:25:AM »
We then come to two further witnesses, one who said that a table where three couples had been sitting was empty of people by 9.30pm to 9.45pm, except for personal items belonging he people who had previously been sitting there! Then there is the other witness who saw that a table which had previously been occupied by three couple had only an elderly lady sat there by 9.45pm (that lady was Diane Webster)...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3837 on: March 11, 2019, 09:27:AM »
So, on the face of it every member of the tapas nine group were absent from the tapas bar, with the exception of Diane Webster, who was not there at 9.30pm, but who had arrived back there by 9.45pm...

Why had everyone of any significance all disappeared from the tapas bar by 9.30pm?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3838 on: March 11, 2019, 09:31:AM »
So, on the face of it every member of the tapas nine group were absent from the tapas bar, with the exception of Diane Webster, who was not there at 9.30pm, but who had arrived back there by 9.45pm...

Why had everyone of any significance all disappeared from the tapas bar by 9.30pm?

The sudden evacuation of bodies from the tapas bar restaurant to apartment 5a, at about 9.30pm, was almost certainly sparked off by the imminent return of Russell O'Brien to the tapas bar, and he being the bearer of bad tidings - Madeliene was gone, she was dead, her life has been taken...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3839 on: March 11, 2019, 09:36:AM »
The official narrative introduced by team McCann that at 9.30pm Kate McCann had got up to go do a check of apartment 5a, only for Mathew Oldfield and Russel O'Brien to step in and volunteer to do the McCann check for them in the 'guise that they were due to do checks at their own apartments is fraudulent..
« Last Edit: March 11, 2019, 09:36:AM by mike tesko »
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