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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3795 on: March 04, 2019, 05:40:PM »
Charlotte Carpenters witness statement is markedly absent from the PJ files...

Is this because she is considered to be the whistle blower?

She knew about the missing child some 40 minutes before Kate McCann raised the alarm by going to apartment 5a at 10pm...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3796 on: March 04, 2019, 05:44:PM »
If true, how could Charlotte Carpenter and her husband Steven Carpenter  have known that Madeleine McCann would be reported 'taken' by 9.20pm, if the alarm hadn't been raised 'til at least 40 minute's afterwards?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3797 on: March 04, 2019, 05:48:PM »
If true, how could Charlotte Carpenter and her husband Steven Carpenter  have known that Madeleine McCann would be reported 'taken' by 9.20pm, if the alarm hadn't been raised 'til at least 40 minute's afterwards?

My gut feeling is because Madeleine McCann died on a date prior to 3rd May 2007, and that the Carpenters were privy to this information! Either that or they gleaned such information, by eavesdropping the conversations of other members of the so-called tapas nine group..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3798 on: March 04, 2019, 05:50:PM »
Were the Carpenters, additional (Silent) members of the tapas group?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3799 on: March 04, 2019, 05:52:PM »
Were the Carpenters, additional (Silent) members of the tapas group?

Should we include Robert Murat, Sergei Malinka, and Clement Frued to this list?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3800 on: March 04, 2019, 05:54:PM »
Were the Carpenters, additional (Silent) members of the tapas group?

If so, was Charlotte Carpenter the whistleblower - hence why her witness statement has been kept under wraps?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3801 on: March 04, 2019, 05:57:PM »
Three couples sat at a table - Gerry and Kate McCann, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner, Mathew Oldfield and Rachael MAMPILLY...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3802 on: March 04, 2019, 08:37:PM »
I also have good reason to believe that the Jane Tanner / Russell O'Brien child was used as Madeleine McCanns substitute in the days leading up to the 3rd May 2007 when it was decided to declare that Madeleine had been taken...

Care should be taken in trying to establish beyond belief the whereabouts of the Tanner / O'Brien child on all occasions after the 29th April 2007, by comparing this feature against the alleged whereabouts of Madeleine McCann throughout the entire period 29th April to evening of 3rd May 2007...

Seems to me to there being a somewhat obvious link between the roles played by Gerry McCann, Kate McCann, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann...

The timed checks of the various apartments, and the length of time when one party or another was either away from the tapas bar checking apartments, or as the case may be, whether or not, and if when they were supposedly present at the tapas restaurant bar leaves a lot to be desired..
But Jane Tanner's sighting of the man with gold-coloured trousers and dark jacket was corroborated by an Irish tourist, though both were 45 minutes apart and the man didn't seem to have made much headway travel-wise in the interim. Was he having second thoughts about the abduction (the tourist said he didn't look comfortable carrying the child) or was this sighting not Madeleine at all, even though both sightings mentioned her light-coloured pyjamas, which Madeleine would have been wearing. Goncalo Amaral claims Madeleine died in the apartment, so was this a dead body this man was carrying? Surely there would have been some forensic traces had he sexually assaulted her in the apartment and wouldn't it have been more likely that he'd have left her body there if so?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3803 on: March 05, 2019, 10:38:AM »
But Jane Tanner's sighting of the man with gold-coloured trousers I don't believe Jane Tanner saw anybody carrying a child. She made the story up - probably to lend support to the narrative that Madeleine had been abducted that evening from the McCann apartment.. and dark jacket was corroborated by an Irish tourist, I don't think the Smith sighting is linked at all to the Jane Tanner sighting. Smith sighting was a genuine sighting, the Tanner one a made up one.. though both were 45 minutes apart and the man didn't seem to have made much headway travel-wise in the interim. Tanner knew there was a night crèche up the road which ran parallel to the roadside front doors and car parks of apartment blocks 5, 4 and 3. She knew that this service operated between around 7pm until around 11pm, and that at some point or other, a parent, or parents would be attending the night crèche to collect their children, or a child...Was he having second thoughts about the abduction (the tourist said he didn't look comfortable carrying the child) I believe the Smith contingent saw Gerry McCann carrying Madeleine McCanns body. The sighting was only a matter of a few metres from the premises of LUZDOC. Unfortunately, the service was not open at that time of night, but plastered on either the window or door was a notice giving telephone details to use for out of hours emergencies.. or was this sighting not Madeleine at all, it was Gerry and Madeleine.. even though both sightings mentioned her light-coloured pyjamas, which Madeleine would have been wearing. interestingly enough, the child seen by the Smith's was wearing pyjamas similar to those worn by Madeleine when she was supposedly put to bed. I am mindful of the fact that although the parents claim that Madeleine was taken wearing her pink pyjamas, I am also mindful that the parents held up a pair of pyjamas similar to ones worn by Maddie, claiming the pyjamas in question belonged to one of the other younger children - but the ones they displayed would have been miles too big for that suggestion to have been true! I think the parents displayed Madeleine's pyjamas, which Gerry McCann removed prior to disposing of her body. This would account for the child who was being carried by McCann to be wearing the same pyjamas at that stage. As I say, McCann removed the pyjamas later..Goncalo Amaral claims Madeleine died in the apartment, Everything points to Maddie having died in the apartment..so was this a dead body this man was carrying? Yes, but I think only very recently deceased. I think that she may have actually been found dead when Gerry McCann and Russell O'Brien did their 9pm checks. I believe that on evening 2nd / morning of 3rd May 2007 Madeleine was suffering from the effects of a drug overdose, administered on the evening of 2nd May 2007, as a result of the crying episode witnessed by Mrs Fenn on the previous evening (evening 1st / morning of 2nd May 2007). Hence why on that last day of Maddie's existence on this earth the McCanns and their siblings ate in apartment 5A, and why Kate made sure she mentioned how shattered and tired Madeleine had been on that last day. I think Maddie may have still been alive but subdued from the side effects of whatever drug the parents had induced on the previous evening (2nd May 2007)... Surely there would have been some forensic traces had he sexually assaulted her in the apartment I don't believe that she was abducted by any paedophile or sex offender , slave trade vendor, or whatever (although I do believe that Madeleine could well have been the victim of sex abuse within the family, or at the mercy of friends of the McCann parents!and wouldn't it have been more likely that he'd have left her body there if so? Madeleine's body was removed from the apartment within 45 minutes or so of it being discovered that she had died. This realisation almost certainly occurred or was known about by 9.15 - 9.20pm, which coincided with the delayed return of Gerry McCann from his 9pm, or thereabouts, check of his apartment, followed shortly afterwards by the return of Russell O'Brien...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3804 on: March 05, 2019, 11:02:AM »
At the heart of this murder mystery case, are two couples, and their children - the McCanns (Gerry and Kate), and Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner...

Also, some medication which was captured in a crime scene photograph (FOTO no. 18 in PJ files) taken by the police soon after their arrival at the crime scene. Tablets were laid out on a worktop, showing signs that many of the contents had already been dispensed with, or used...

I don't think it's just a coincidence that Madeleine died from a drug overdose, and that on the very same evening that Madeleine had died (3rd May 2007), that one of the children belonging to Russell O'Brien / Jane Tanner was crying and vommitting which necessitated that one or other parent in both the McCann and O'Brien / Tanner households were busy tooing and frowing between the tapas bar and their respective apartments. I am also mindful, that according to O'Brien and Tanner's narratives that Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner had both been unwell themselves on days previously suffering with the same symptoms as their daughter. I believe that the symptoms shared by all parties at different stages (including Madeleine McCann) were effected by the same drug induced medication. The purchaser of which was ultimately responsible for Madeleine McCanns death...

Gerry McCann
Kate McCann
Russell O'Brien
Jane Tanner

One of these four people either obtained or purchased the drugs in the form of tablets which was responsible for the making poorly of two adults and two little girls. Sadly, Madeleine didn't survive but O'Brien / Tanner and their little girl did..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3805 on: March 05, 2019, 07:15:PM »
By 9.15 - 9.20pm on evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, a couple believed to have been Steven and Charlotte Carpenter already knew that Madeleine McCann was going to be reported missing, some 40 / 45 minutes before Kate McCann officially alerted that Madeleine had been taken (10pm). An Ocean club executive overheard the couple openly speaking about it 10 / 15 minutes before the illusionary 9.30pm check of apartment 5a, by either Kate McCann, Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield, or Jane Tanner...

How could this have been possible!

A barman told the PJ in a witness statement that by 9.30 - 9.45pm, the table where three couples had been sitting eating dinner earlier was completely abandoned, and the only things still present were articles and items of clothing belonging to members of the group by that stage. Another employee confirms that at 9.45pm, there was only Diane Webster sitting at the table, everybody else had scattered and presumably returned to their respective apartments, or as the case may be were all either outside or inside apartment 5A..

So, how could Kate McCann have left the tapas restaurant at 10pm, if she had already left the tapas bar some 15 minutes or so earlier? How could Kate have discovered Madeleine has having been taken after she arrived there after 10pm, and return back to the tapas bar afterwards to inform everyone that Madeleine had been taken? There was only Diane Webster at the table in the tapas restaurant after 9.45pm, onward...

The discovery by Kate McCann of Madeleine supposedly having been taken when she returned to apartment 5a at 10pm stands shattered, she didn't hear the bedroom door slam, or the curtains at the window 'Whoosh' open, and she didn't see the bedroom window slid open, or the metal shutter on the outside of the same window raised, or check everywhere inside the apartment looking for Madeleine before dashing back to the tapas bar to raise the alarm, because the couple who were sat at a table on the concourse of the tapas bar at 9.15 - 9.20pm had already been alerted to Maddie having gone, or going to be reported as missing...

That couple, were almost certainly Charlotte and Steven Carpenter, who by their own account left the tapas bar that evening between 9.15 - 9.30pm to go back to their apartment, and during which time Mrs Carpenter recalled how she overheard someone calling out the name, ' Madeleine, Madeliene'..

It doesn't take a great leap of faith by anyone to try and work out who had been calling out Madeleine's name, just as the Carpenter couple were crossing the street yards away from the patio door of 5a on the poolside of the premises...

First things first, trying to establish a reliable timeline, into which and by what means the Carpenter couple knew about Madeleine McCann going missing by 9.15 - 9.20pm, them leaving the tapas bar, and once a decision can be reached as to the actual time they left the tapas bar, which of the so called tapas 9 group had been absent from the tapas bar when the Carpenters left, and Charlotte Carpenter heard the person calling out Madeleine's name as she and her husband crossed the street..

If we set the time at 9.15pm when the Ocean Club Executive overheard the couple openly talking about Maddie having gone missing, and we say that the Carpenters left the tapas bar at about 9.20pm., there were only two possible suspects who on their own accounts were both absent from the tapas bar at the time Charlotte Carpenter was crossing the street and she heard a voice, 'Madeleine, Madeleine'...

We do not know whether the voice which was calling out Madeleine's name, was a male, or a female voice (but I presume Mrs Carpenter knows)..

Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien were the only two people absent from the tapas bar when the Carpenter couple left the tapas bar to go back to their apartment! Prior to this, only Gerry McCann had been back to his apartment (5a), returning to the tapas bar by 9.15pm, or thereabouts, opening it up for he being the source of the information that Madeleine had gone missing, or that she was going to be reported missing shortly..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3806 on: March 05, 2019, 09:51:PM »
Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien were the only two people absent from the tapas bar when the Carpenter couple left the tapas bar to go back to their apartment! Prior to this, only Gerry McCann had been back to his apartment (5a), returning to the tapas bar by 9.15pm, or thereabouts, opening it up for he being the source of the information that Madeleine had gone missing, or that she was going to be reported missing shortly..

It appears to me, that the Carpenters chose to make themselves scarce from the tapas bar once they found out what was about to go down concerning the reported disappearance of the McCanns little girl. So they left the tapas bar and decided to go back to their apartment which just so happens to be virtually next door to the Murat villa...

If we work on the assumption that the Carpenter couple left the tapas bar at say 9.20pm, we can then work on the further assumption that within 10 minutes of the Carpenter couple leaving the tapas bar, the rest of the so called tapas 9 group ( with the exception of Diane Webster) had all departed together heading back to the apartment block (5)...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3807 on: March 05, 2019, 10:04:PM »
With this in mind, by 9.30pm there was no-one present at the restaurant table at the tapas bar to enable the narrative concerning who was going to check on the McCann kids, or not..

For example, Kate couldn't have said that she was going to check her own apartment at about 9.30pm. Likewise, Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield couldn't have persuaded her that they would do her check for her - because at 9.30pm there were no longer any couples at the restaurant table.

In any event off go Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield to do the impossible 9.30pm apartment checks, including the checking of apartment 5A (the McCann apartment)..

In the official narrative, no mention at or after 9.30pm of anyone else leaving the tapas restaurant and bar, and yet almost instantaneously everyone vanishes miraculously, leaving the dining table unoccupied except for articles of personal clothing, and Diane Webster..

With this in mind, where did or could have Gerry McCann, Kate McCann and Jane Tanner have all disappeared to, since if they were no longer sat around the dining table in the tapas bar restaurant from 9.30pm onwards, where else could they all have disappeared to?

And for what reason?

We know that it was not until after 10pm that Madeleine was officially reported as missing, but that the Carpenter couple knew about it some 40 to 45 minutes beforehand (9.15pm)..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3808 on: March 06, 2019, 02:55:AM »

We know that it was not until after 10pm that Madeleine was officially reported as missing, but that the Carpenter couple knew about it some 40 to 45 minutes beforehand (9.15pm)..

This is a glaring inconsistency in the official narrative relied upon by team McCann and it's supporters...

The alert regarding when it was first known that Madeleine McCann was missing and or presumed taken has been deliberately displaced by a period of at least 40 minutes or so, from it already being to / in the knowledge of the Carpenter Couple from as early as 9.15pm to the stage where Kate McCanns alert was given shortly after 10pm that same evening. This contradiction involving when it was first known that Madeleine was missing, or would be reported as missing, is matched by the fact that sometime between 9.30 - 9.45pm, the table where the group had been enjoying dinner was vacant except for clothing belonging to some of the three couples who earlier up until about or around 9.30pm had been sitting there, and Diane Webster - undermining the integrity of almost all of the tapas group members accounts regarding checks made of apartments, including the McCann apartment (5a), at 9.30 and 10pm, respectively. These key inconsistencies expose the narrative regarding when group members were going to, and / or, who did carry out checks of the apartment 5a, and the alleged events and circumstances following on from such fictitious events, as fabricated information. Team McCanns storyline between 9.15 and 10pm is therefore exposed as a faked narrative which has been introduced dishonestly in an attempt to cover up the true circumstances surrounding the death inside apartment 5a of Madeleine McCann which came about because of the involvement / interaction of at least four members of the group being responsible in her death, due to drug misuse and eventual overdose, which came to a head inside apartment 5a long before Kate McCann alerted that Madeleine had been taken. Prior to that point, the McCanns were happy to monitor  the symptoms displayed by Madeleine throughout 3rd May 2007,  who had been vommitting and showing distressing signs of fatigue, or even unconsciousness brought on by medication admitted in an attempt to control her behaviour whilst her parents went out enjoying themselves on the previous evening (2nd May 2007)...

Medication administered in time to enable the parents to go out to dinner on evening 2nd May 2007, given to prevent a reoccurrence of the prolonged crying episode by Madeleine McCann on the previous evening (1st May 2007) as witnessed by Mrs Fenn..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3809 on: March 06, 2019, 03:45:AM »
Interestingly enough, During my research into the PJ files, I discovered that at least one member of the so called tapas 9 group made a witness statement to PJ police that the metal shutters on the outside of the sliding patio door of apartment 5A (on the poolside of the premises) were in the down position on the evening when Madeleine died in apartment 5a on evening 3rd May 2007)...

Moreover, according to one member of the group, it had been common knowledge that the McCanns always set the shutter in its downward position with the sliding patio door behind it unlocked so that the McCanns or anyone checking on the children could access the apartment without the need to possess a key - however, funny how neither Gerry or Kate McCann never mentioned anything about the routine of setting the shutters behind which was an unlocked sliding patio door!

No mention of the shutter being so set when the McCanns went out to dinner at about 8.30pm that fateful evening of 3rd May 2007..

No mention of the shutter to the sliding patio being raised or reset in its downward position at the time of Gerry McCanns 9pm check of 5a...

Similarly, no mention by Russell O'Brien / Mathew Oldfield, of the shutter to the sliding patio door being down in front of the unlocked patio door when they allegedly did the fictitious 9.30pm check of apartment at on behalf of the McCann parents. No mention of them raising it, entering the premises, leaving the apartment and resetting the shutter as they had found it..

And, then there is the question of how did Kate McCann enter apartment 5a at the time of her imaginary check at 10pm, did she enter apartment 5a via the roadside door, or the sliding patio door on the poolside of the premises? If she had entered via the sliding patio door on the poolside of the premises why doesn't she mention whether or not the metal shutter to the patio door was set in the same position the parents had left it when they had gone to dinner at 8.30pm earlier in the evening?

The shutters at the sliding patio door of apartment 5a suddenly taking on significance in relation to them being set by the parents when they had gone out to dinner at 8.30pm, whether or not Gerry McCann disturbed these shutters and subsequently reset them upon leaving apartment 5a during his 9pm check...

And then there is the rather bizzarre account given by Russell O'Brien, to the effect that on his way back to the tapas bar following on from his own 9pm check of his own apartment, how he listened at the lowered shutter of apartment 5a (living accommodation of the McCann family) before being satisfied that because he could not hear any noise coming from within he returned to the tapas bar to inform Kate and Gerry McCann that everything was in order back at their apartment - which shutter, on which side of the building did Russell O'Brien place an ear against? The shutter at the bedroom window on the roadside of apartment 5a, or the shutter at the sliding patio door on the poolside of the apartment?

If, as Russell O'Brien contends that all was well within apartment 5a at the time he says he checked it on his way back to the tapas bar (just before 9.30pm), it begs consideration that if the voice which Charlotte Carpenter had heard calling out the name, ' Madeleine, Madeliene', had been O'Briens voice then why would O'Brien tell the McCann parents that all was well back at their apartment?
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