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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3810 on: March 06, 2019, 04:04:AM »
If, as Russell O'Brien contends that all was well within apartment 5a at the time he says he checked it on his way back to the tapas bar (just before 9.30pm), it begs consideration that if the voice which Charlotte Carpenter had heard calling out the name, ' Madeleine, Madeliene', had been O'Briens voice then why would O'Brien tell the McCann parents that all was well back at their apartment?

Something of great significance occurred in the tapas bar at around the time that Russell O'Brien returned there from his 9pm check of his own apartment, and the McCann apartment which caused almost all the group abandoning their dining table and rushing back toward apartment 5a...

The suggestion that the voice which Charlotte Carpenter overheard calling out, ' Madeleine, Madeleine' was almost certainly the voice of Russell O'Brien responding to something involving Madeleine McCanns sudden and unexpected demise. He didn't return back at the tapas bar until after the Carpenters had already left. Everything points to he having been the catalyst which caused everyone with the exception of Diane Webster, to leave personal belongings at the table they had been dining at, and fleeing off in the direction of 5a...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3811 on: March 06, 2019, 05:45:AM »

The suggestion that the voice which Charlotte Carpenter overheard calling out, ' Madeleine, Madeleine' was almost certainly the voice of Russell O'Brien responding to something involving Madeleine McCanns sudden and unexpected demise. He didn't return back at the tapas bar until after the Carpenters had already left. Everything points to he having been the catalyst which caused everyone with the exception of Diane Webster, to leave personal belongings at the table they had been dining at, and fleeing off in the direction of 5a...

I believe I am right in saying that Madeleine was suffering from drug overdose which had been administered to her prior to the parents going out to dinner with Russell O'Brien, Jayne Tanner, and the others, on the evening of 2nd May 2007. I believe that she did not actually die in apartment 5a until around 9pm on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007. This fits in snugly with Gerry McCann being the man who was carrying off Madeleine McCanns body as seen at about 9.50pm by the Smith contingent. McCann knew that people in that contingeny had seen him, hence why the timeline of when who discovered Madeleine 'gone', and how the taking was alerted to, was moved from around 9pm or shortly afterwards, by either Gerry McCann or Russell O'Brien, to 10pm or shortly afterwards by Kate McCann...

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3812 on: March 06, 2019, 06:05:AM »
Rigor mortis would not have set in on the body of Madeleine so soon after she 'had' died inside apartment 5a, shortly before Gerry McCann carried off her body in his arms. Being a medical practitioner, he knew the importance of the core body temperature of anyone deceased falling or rising to the ambient temperature of the surroundings in which the body was found or discovered in, and that this occurs within about 10 hours after death if the body has remained untouched or unmoved throughout that period..

In the circumstances of how Madeleine had died, albeit that she had died within 35 minutes or so of the Smith sighting of McCann carrying off her body, the parents knew that if they had left Madeleine's body in apartment 5a that there would need to be an autopsy to try and determine the cause of death and that any drugs which the parents or friends of theirs had been responsible for supplying and or administering to Madeleine would be established with devastating consequences..

So, move the body from the apartment, take it to some remote location, somewhere where the body had the opportunity over a 10 hour period or longer to match the ambient temperature of those surrounds. The fact that the parents and friends had presented Madeleine's absence from apartment 5a as 'taken' by some unknown abductor by 10pm or sooner on 3rd May 2007, would come into play whenever, and if her body wasn't found until after 8am on Friday 4th May 2007. By that stage, the core body temperature of the corpse would have adjusted naturally to the ambient temperature of the surroundings in / at which the corpse might be found in...

Detection of drugs in her system during autopsy taking on a new meaning and purpose because it could be argued that the would be abductor could have drugged Madeleine to facilitate the taking of her from apartment 5A on the previous evening..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3813 on: March 06, 2019, 06:13:AM »

Detection of drugs in her system during autopsy taking on a new meaning and purpose because it could be argued that the would be abductor could have drugged Madeleine to facilitate the taking of her from apartment 5A on the previous evening..

Team McCann introduced faked details of a supposedly extended practice of apartment checking beyond the actual time when Madeleine had died inside apartment 5a, accompanied by the introduction of the sighting of 'TANNERMAN' by Jayne Tanner, rather coincidentally occurring at roughly the exact time that Madeleine McCann had died (around 9.15pm) inside apartment 5a..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3814 on: March 06, 2019, 06:17:AM »
Surely no abductor would carry off a deceased child in their arms, paving the way for it to be suggested by team McCann that Madeleine had not died inside apartment 5a, but rather that she was abducted by a sex offender / peadophile / child trafficker, etc, and that she had been abducted at the precise moment she had actually died inside apartment 5a...

Forget 'TANNERMAN' which was a deliberate fabrication...

Concentrate on the Smith contingency sighting at about 9.50pm that Thursday evening...

Gerry McCann was not still sitting at a table at the tapas bar any time after 9.30pm that same evening. Nobody else was either, except for Diane Webster. He wasn't there at the tapas bar at any stage between 9.30 - 10pm that evening, none of them were except Diane Webster. The fabrication of McCanns presence at the tapas bar table had been continuous throughout the period 9.30 - 10pm, right up until after Kate's 10pm alert that Madeleine had been 'taken' that she was 'gone' introduced to give Gerry McCann a false alibi, making it appear unlikely that he could have had anything whatsoever to do with Madeleine McCanns disappearance..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3815 on: March 06, 2019, 06:40:AM »
Basically put - if team McCanns narrative concerning the whereabouts or activities of Gerry McCann, Kate McCann, Mathew Oldfield, Rachel    , Russell O'Brien, and Jayne Tanner (between 9.30 - 10pm) is / are true, or believable, it paves the way for the introduction of an unknown abductor having taken Madeleine from her bed inside apartment 5a...

On the other hand..

If team McCanns narrative is a complete fabrication, then the abductor element has to be totally rejected. It would lead to the inevitable conclusion that the McCann parents and others (if not all their identified friends within the so called tapas 9 group) have all conspired to pervert the course of Justice with the specific intention to cover up the true circumstances surrounding the death of Madeleine McCann...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3816 on: March 06, 2019, 11:41:AM »
If the alleged events involving the McCann parents and friends between 9.30pm and 10pm on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007 is / was part of an elaborate plot to create false alibi's for each other, then of course, it will cast them all as the villains in this matter...

It would mean that the Portuguese police got it right from the beginning, namely that the crime scene from where Madeleine McCann went missing was staged by the parents and their friends for the purpose of trying to cover up the involvement of two or more of them in the death of Madeleine! It leads to the inevitable conclusion that they also concealed the body and disposed of it..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3817 on: March 06, 2019, 07:31:PM »
More disturbingly, is the fact that by the morning of Friday, 4th May 2007, that Kate McCann had severe bruising on the lower part of her right arm /wrist...

No explanation has been forthcoming about how such bruises and marks were made...

However, I believe that these injuries related to the fact that she responded violently to the loss of Madeleine's life, she took her guilt trip further by packing her job in as a GP in Leicester, because of the immense build up of guilt over the actual death of Madeleine...

Her knowledge, training and expertise as a GP failed to prevent the death of her eldest sibling (Madeleine)...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3818 on: March 06, 2019, 07:35:PM »
In the light of what is now known, it is in the best interests of the McCann parents to finally admit to the true circumstances surrounding the death of Madeleine McCann..

Stop trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, Madeleine died in apartment 5a at around 9.15pm on 3rd May 2007..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3819 on: March 07, 2019, 12:56:PM »
It seems so obvious now that I have had plenty of time without other distractions, that (a) the official alert introduced by Kate McCaan shortly after 10pm, was shifted from 9.15pm, to provide the parents with false alibi's. Gerry McCann in particular, because he was the person carrying off Madeleine's body as seen by members of the Smith family at 9.50pm, and (b) despite the displacement of the alert from 9.15pm - 9.28pm, to after 10pm,.

The general time of her death, as I say believed by myself to have been 'suspected as imminent' by Gerry McCann at 9.15pm, and ' a confirmed death' by 9.28pm when Russell O'Brien returned to the tapas bar to deliver the bad news - hence why the claim that the 9.30pm (O'Brien and Oldfield) and the last 10pm check (Kate McCann) are so dodgy!

I do not believe that she died as a result of an accident, since I don't think anyone can say that any death involving a drug overdose can be referred to as an accident! Especially when the victim is a 3 / 4 year old little girl like Madeleine McCann..

I get the distinct feeling that Madeleine was still barely alive at the time the parents left for their evening meal at the tapas restaurant by 8.30pm. I believe Kate McCann when she says that Madeleine was very tired, exhausted and worn out, not because she had had one of the best activity days of her short life. But rather because these were symptoms of the medication that the parents had administered to Madeleine on the previous evening, so as not to have another repeat of her wakening up without either parent being present, and all the crying that accompanied that experience associated with / to the home alone event witnessed by Mrs Fenn on the evening 1st May 2007. It also seems somewhat obvious to me, that the twin siblings Sean and Amelia may have been given lower dosages of the same medication on consecutive evenings, 2nd and 3rd May 2007, hence why despite all the commotion surrounding the alleged disappearance of Madeleine from her bed, and all the disruption accompanying it, the twin siblings slept through all of it, as if they had been drugged..

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3820 on: March 07, 2019, 01:14:PM »
I get the distinct feeling that Madeleine was still barely alive at the time the parents left for their evening meal at the tapas restaurant by 8.30pm. I believe Kate McCann when she says that Madeleine was very tired, exhausted and worn out, not because she had had one of the best activity days of her short life. But rather because these were symptoms of the medication that the parents had administered to Madeleine on the previous evening, so as not to have another repeat of her wakening up without either parent being present, and all the crying that accompanied that experience associated with / to the home alone event witnessed by Mrs Fenn on the evening 1st May 2007. It also seems somewhat obvious to me, that the twin siblings Sean and Amelia may have been given lower dosages of the same medication on consecutive evenings, 2nd and 3rd May 2007, hence why despite all the commotion surrounding the alleged disappearance of Madeleine from her bed, and all the disruption accompanying it, the twin siblings slept through all of it, as if they had been drugged..

I have a gut feeling that Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner administered the exact same medication to their daughter, and that the episode of vommitting referred to by Tanner and O'Brien involving their own daughter on evening of 3rd May 2007, was simply a repetition of the symptoms which Madeleine had displayed after the initial administering of it to her by her parents on evening 2nd May 2007. Remember also the fact that on the morning of 3rd May 2007, that Kate McCann had to wash Madeleine's pink pyjama set presumably because Madeleine had vommitted all over it potentially for the exact same reason that the O'Brien / Tanner child did that same evening of 3rd May 2007..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3821 on: March 07, 2019, 01:30:PM »
If true, little wonder then that Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien's family are tangled up in the fabricated abduction case, alongside the McCann parents...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3822 on: March 08, 2019, 07:22:AM »
With regard to the Smith contingency sighting of Gerry McCann seen carrying off the body of Madeleine McCann at 9.50pm. I have the following observation to make...

Madeleine can't have been deceased very long beforehand, otherwise rigor mortis would have set in 4 hours or more after she had died...

As far as I am concerned, this rules out any possibility that Madeleine had died on any other occasion prior to 9pm on the 3rd May 2007. Unless, the McCanns had placed Madeleine's body into a bath filled with hot or warm water.

This tactic is well known about to serial killers. For example, once a corpse has been dead for 10 hours or thereabouts, or as the case may be, over a longer period of time,  the inner core body temperature of a corpse will automatically set / coincide with the ambient temperature of the surroundings in which the cadaver is / was persistently or continually placed, or found in...

However, this would have required either both, or one or other of the McCann parents, or any accomplice(s) to regularly empty the hot water in the bath and very quickly refill or top up the bath with piping hot water...

Nevertheless,  the consequences of such action(s) although capable of offsetting the condition of rigor mortis, would not prevent other conditions associated with the death procedure, or process...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3823 on: March 08, 2019, 07:35:AM »
With regard to the Smith contingency sighting of Gerry McCann seen carrying off the body of Madeleine McCann at 9.50pm. I have the following observation to make...

Madeleine can't have been deceased very long beforehand, otherwise rigor mortis would have set in 4 hours or more after she had died...

As far as I am concerned, this rules out any possibility that Madeleine had died on any other occasion prior to 9pm on the 3rd May 2007. Unless, the McCanns had placed Madeleine's body into a bath filled with hot or warm water.

This tactic is well known about to serial killers. For example, once a corpse has been dead for 10 hours or thereabouts, or as the case may be, over a longer period of time,  the inner core body temperature of a corpse will automatically set / coincide with the ambient temperature of the surroundings in which the cadaver is / was persistently or continually placed, or found in...

However, this would have required either both, or one or other of the McCann parents, or any accomplice(s) to regularly empty the hot water in the bath and very quickly refill or top up the bath with piping hot water...

Nevertheless,  the consequences of such action(s) although capable of offsetting the condition of rigor mortis, would not prevent other conditions associated with the death procedure, or process...

Dealing with the question of the timing and onset of rigor mortis in the body of a corpse, and the way in which the inner core body temperature is known to function in the death process, and how anyone in the know, could manipulate such factors, to attempt to fool a pathologist ect, regarding the timing of death, simply by adopting this course of action would not prevent the onset of  other conditions associated with the death process...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3824 on: March 08, 2019, 07:44:AM »
Dealing with the question of the timing and onset of rigor mortis in the body of a corpse, and the way in which the inner core body temperature is known to function in the death process, and how anyone in the know, could manipulate such factors, to attempt to fool a pathologist ect, regarding the timing of death, simply by adopting this course of action would not prevent the onset of  other conditions associated with the death process...

For example, the mottling of the cadavers flesh, and  the discolouring of the cadavers skin - since, once the cadaver was placed in the bath of warm or hot water, if surficient time had already not elapsed, the blood inside a corpse would always, or eventually settle at the lowest part of a body - to overcome this problem the cadaver would need to be placed in a bath of warm / hot water soon after death had occurred, otherwise, the blood would have already settled at the lowest points at various parts of the body signifying whether or not the body has been moved and deliberately staged in some other location..
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