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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2010 on: October 23, 2013, 11:34:AM »
I don't agree that the PJ hashed the investigation. The evidence proves that instead,the British government hampered it. I don't agree either that there is no evidence that Maddie may have come to some harm. We have the evidence from Eddie and Keela,brought in by the Leicestershire Police. Dogs don't lie. However,unfortunately it is a fact that the British Government do.




Tyler,,the Portuguese police wouldn't allow the British police to intervene at any time during the investigation,,so the hands of the British police were well and truly tied. The laws in Portugal didn't allow outside interference within the jurisdiction of Portugal.
The PJ's did indeed hamper the investigation by not immediately cordoning off the apartment to treat it as a crime scene.Instead,,the world and its mother piled into the place,including the police and contaminated everywhere before any investigation began.
Every bit of evidence that was taken was contaminated/impaired,,and it was only two weeks after the childs' disappearance that another family moved into the apartment. It was at this stage that it was decided to do forensic tests,,,after this other family had vacated,,so any evidence gathered could well have belonged to the families ( including children ) who stayed at the apartment.

Yes,,the dogs did detect blood/death,,,but one thing those dogs couldn't do was to speak and tell officers whose blood it was.
The cadaver dog would have picked up the scent from Kates' clothing,,or even the wardrobe in which they hung,for the simple reason,that only a week previous to their holidays,she had attended 6 deaths,,either in the home,hospital or mortuary,,and try as you might to bathe,shower,etc,although you can rid yourself of a " smell " but with a cadaver dog and its sensitive nose,can detect it days,weeks,months after.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2011 on: October 23, 2013, 11:38:AM »



Tyler,,the Portuguese police wouldn't allow the British police to intervene at any time during the investigation,,so the hands of the British police were well and truly tied. The laws in Portugal didn't allow outside interference within the jurisdiction of Portugal.
The PJ's did indeed hamper the investigation by not immediately cordoning off the apartment to treat it as a crime scene.Instead,,the world and its mother piled into the place,including the police and contaminated everywhere before any investigation began.
Every bit of evidence that was taken was contaminated/impaired,,and it was only two weeks after the childs' disappearance that another family moved into the apartment. It was at this stage that it was decided to do forensic tests,,,after this other family had vacated,,so any evidence gathered could well have belonged to the families ( including children ) who stayed at the apartment.

Yes,,the dogs did detect blood/death,,,but one thing those dogs couldn't do was to speak and tell officers whose blood it was.
The cadaver dog would have picked up the scent from Kates' clothing,,or even the wardrobe in which they hung,for the simple reason,that only a week previous to their holidays,she had attended 6 deaths,,either in the home,hospital or mortuary,,and try as you might to bathe,shower,etc,although you can rid yourself of a " smell " but with a cadaver dog and its sensitive nose,can detect it days,weeks,months after.

They even allowed the bed clothes to be taken and washed the following day.....it was a major cock up... :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #2012 on: October 23, 2013, 11:41:AM »
Hi Patti, you say that DNA tests proved that the blood wasn't Maddie's and that this is a fact. Was it by any chance the FSS that carried out the tests?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2013 on: October 23, 2013, 11:48:AM »
 

Thanks Patti.  I will read all the data.  I appreciate that 1000 children might go missing every year in the UK but where do they come from?  I don't believe that we can compare UK born children with those born overseas as imo big cultural differences exist in the standard of childcare.  Also what is the definition of "children"?  16 - 17 year olds that leave care or come from broken homes?

NN there are bad social areas in the UK perhaps you need to visit them in order to understand that they exist.  Whether they are born here or not some of them are missing from our soil. I think the definition is that if a child is in education then it is deemed that its a child.  The trouble is in our Country is that if a 4 to 12 year old goes missing it makes the front page, but anything older than that the media fail to respond, simply because it probably wont have the impact on the public as a 5 year old would.  I'm not saying I am right, but this is what I believe.   :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #2014 on: October 23, 2013, 11:49:AM »
Hi Patti, you say that DNA tests proved that the blood wasn't Maddie's and that this is a fact. Was it by any chance the FSS that carried out the tests?

We did the tests here in Birmingham Tyler....... :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #2015 on: October 23, 2013, 11:51:AM »
They even allowed the bed clothes to be taken and washed the following day.....it was a major cock up... :) :) :) :)




I forgot to mention the bedclothes being whipped off smartish. A suspicion in itself. Why so quick,,as I remember asking that question a few years ago. Any evidence was whisked away,or covered up. Destroyed,in other words.

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« Reply #2016 on: October 23, 2013, 12:01:PM »
Sky news say 1000 children go missing every year in the UK....I suspect the majority of those are found, but sadly not all of them do. 

http://news.sky.com/story/655463/the-missing-uks-lost-children




About 40% are found,Patti.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2017 on: October 23, 2013, 12:02:PM »



About 40% are found,Patti.

Horrendous Lookout....We all sit here and nothing is ever done. Its sad really.  :(

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2018 on: October 23, 2013, 12:04:PM »
Ah,the results would be conclusive then Patti, as the government could not possibly have interfered with the FSS! On a different subject,are you absolutely convinced the 'tapas' 9 were checking their children every half an hour? Taking into account that Russell OBriens timeline jotted on Maddies activity book stated every hour (crossed out) every 15 minutes (crossed out) before he settled on every half an hour? And Mrs What's her name's (who lived upstairs) statement that on evening of May 1st that she heard Maddie crying for 77 minutes? Sorry lots of questions,have recently taken an interested as you can tell!

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2019 on: October 23, 2013, 12:17:PM »
Ah,the results would be conclusive then Patti, as the government could not possibly have interfered with the FSS! On a different subject,are you absolutely convinced the 'tapas' 9 were checking their children every half an hour? Taking into account that Russell OBriens timeline jotted on Maddies activity book stated every hour (crossed out) every 15 minutes (crossed out) before he settled on every half an hour? And Mrs What's her name's (who lived upstairs) statement that on evening of May 1st that she heard Maddie crying for 77 minutes? Sorry lots of questions,have recently taken an interested as you can tell!

Hi Tyler :)

They worked together...I believe. I've never seen a copy of the M notebook so I can't say if that is true.
Mrs Fenn who lived upstairs did hear M crying and M told her parents about it the following day...If only they had taken notice of her. I must say that I wont ever understand why they left them and didn't lock the door?????? They have to live with that don't they.

Read my friends blog here it tells you all about the DNA and stuff. He is a criminologist and lives in Spain...  ;D ;D ;D ;D
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com.ar/ ;)

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2020 on: October 23, 2013, 12:26:PM »
Tyler this might be better to understand.... ;D ;D ;D ;D

Letter dated 11 September regarding FSS report received by PJ
on on 4 September from Leicester Police, citing 15/19 matches of Madeleine DNA
profile

This serves to add [to the case file] a laboratory examination report prepared
in England, written in English and translated into Portuguese, delivered to this
police force on 4 September 2007 by English police officer Stuart Prior.

This laboratory report tells about the examinations made of two trace evidence
recoveries, one behind the living room sofa in apartment 5A and the other in the
boot area of the vehicle used by the McCann family, hired [by them] from the end of May this year.

In some of these recoveries (samples) DNA was found whose components are also
found in the profile of Madeleine McCann.

With respect to the trace evidence recovered behind the sofa all the confirmed
DNA components coincide with corresponding components in the DNA profile of
Madeleine McCann.

In the sample collected in the boot area of the vehicle, 15 of the identified
DNA components coincide with the corresponding components in the DNA profile of
Madeleine McCann, this of [having] 19 components.

Portimao, 11 September 2007
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2021 on: October 23, 2013, 12:29:PM »
Patti,yes I believe that they worked together! Thanks for link,I will read it when on my laptop. Chris Spivey's website has an interesting blog called "Gerry's tunnel vision" which goes some way to explain the government and masonic interference in the case. Mike would be interested in that I would think.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2022 on: October 23, 2013, 12:36:PM »
Patti,yes I believe that they worked together! Thanks for link,I will read it when on my laptop. Chris Spivey's website has an interesting blog called "Gerry's tunnel vision" which goes some way to explain the government and masonic interference in the case. Mike would be interested in that I would think.

Tyler my lovely I don't read blogs like that or sites that don't have org in them, for they are not trusted especially if they are anti....lol Yes, Mike would be interested in that I'm sure...

This is a much better site and has all the statements on it and its full of facts and the person in neutral to the case....
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MADELEINES_DNA.htm

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2023 on: October 23, 2013, 12:39:PM »
The thing is,,if there's no evidence to support the DNA,,the test is deemed useless.

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« Reply #2024 on: October 23, 2013, 12:39:PM »
The thing is,,if there's no evidence to support the DNA,,the test is deemed useless.

Correct lookout there is no match.... :) :) :) :)