The case of Madeleine McCann

[lookout]

Hi Lookout

Yes I would.  After all he does look and sound like a very reliable source of information 

NN,,0ne of the most evil people to have lived on this planet. He probably knew who took the child,,or was no doubt involved in some way. The world is better without him,,though sadly,,more like him still exist.

[killingeve]

NN,,0ne of the most evil people to have lived on this planet. He probably knew who took the child,,or was no doubt involved in some way. The world is better without him,,though sadly,,more like him still exist.

Yes I've no doubt Lookout.  It seems to me that the McCann case has similarities to WHF in that 5a wasn't treated like a potential SoC and therefore much forensic evidence was lost due to contamination etc and crucial hours lost due to the Portuguese not appreciating the seriousness of the situation.

Don't believe 5a was watched and Maddie was targeted by an organised gang or even gypsies.  Think she wandered off and came to harm in some shape or form and the McCanns have convinced themselves that she was taken to alleviate their guilt for leaving 3 small children unsupervised in an unlocked holiday apartment whilst they were out on a jolly    I can understand their reluctance to use the child minding services.  Its not something I would consider unless I had personally vetted the individuals.  Then again I would never ever leave 3 small children unsupervised in an unlocked holiday apartment 
 
Either the above or something occurred with a member of the tapas group.  What about the guy that requested a change of bedding for his daughter that had been unwell.  Was that all checked out?

Who would have thought the seemingly respectable Vincent Tabak had a dark side?  Not that he was a paedophile but you get my drift.

Thankfully most find paedophilia abhorrent but paedophiles come in all shapes and sizes.  I would imagine if you're that way inclined and you suddenly see lots of real life small children running around the beach/swimming pool naked or semi-naked it might lift a lid off something that otherwise might be contained if you get my drift.

4 men had a legitimate reason to enter 5a and statistically child abuse, sexual assault, murder, abduction occurs by persons known.

[mike tesko]

I believe that until a thorough and comprehensive search is made of the derelict building opposite the church at PDL, that it cannot be ruled out that on the evening of Mad's disappearance, or some time shortly afterwards that she was taken there, was present there, and is still presently interned in the ground there, in a shallow grave...

Nothing would please me more to be proved wrong, but to date there has not been such a search conducted, alarm bells are ringing, Scotland yard have got to go there and dig the place up, leave no stone unturned, it shouldn't be a problem because its derelict, no-one lives there, just go there and do it, and bring this case to a conclusion, that's what I say...

[Patti]

There is absolutely no proof that anyone she knew had hurt her or covered up the fact she had an accident.  Just like there is no proof that she was abducted.  The fact is its a mysteriously disappeared from her bed while her parents had dinner and in the one and half hours that they were feeding 3 checks were made in apartment 5A. On the forth check she was discovered missing.

There is not one shred of evidence to say that any of the party were lying nor that they had anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance.  For those of you that believe she wondered off or met with an accident is poppycock....there is no proof of anything.

We still have the Smith family saying they saw a man carrying a child at the same time Madeline went missing and until this has been fully investigated no one knows for sure if this was an abductor or not. Its likely that it was and its likely that it wasn't.  Its all speculation and assumptions.

We all have opinions and have the right to view them, but it is my opinion that she was indeed taken.  I might be wrong, but I could also be right. 

Part of me hopes that she is still alive, but part of me thinks she was killed within hours of her abduction.     
But, there is no proof she is dead like there is no proof she is alive. 

The whole investigation was a farce....The speculation of the missing blue holdall is just media crap and bad blog site banter.  There was never a holdall missing at all.

Its the same with the questions put to Kate. She was told by her lawyer to answer no to them all....but log sites and media had a bloody field day with it. 

The only thing Madeline's parents are guilty of is leaving their children in an unlocked apartment, but at the end of the they suffer for that mistake for the rest of their lives.  People forget that even though the children were in an unlocked apartment, they should still have been safe. No one had the right to enter it,nor did they have the right to steal a child.  If Madeline was taken we should be slating the monster that took her.

There are thousands of children being go missing every year and they are exploited in every way possible....If it was animals there would be a human outcry. The world and our government do nothing for the children in this world.....they suffer more than you will ever know.   

[killingeve]

There is absolutely no proof that anyone she knew had hurt her or covered up the fact she had an accident.  Just like there is no proof that she was abducted.  The fact is its a mysteriously disappeared from her bed while her parents had dinner and in the one and half hours that they were feeding 3 checks were made in apartment 5A. On the forth check she was discovered missing.

There is not one shred of evidence to say that any of the party were lying nor that they had anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance.  For those of you that believe she wondered off or met with an accident is poppycock....there is no proof of anything.

We still have the Smith family saying they saw a man carrying a child at the same time Madeline went missing and until this has been fully investigated no one knows for sure if this was an abductor or not. Its likely that it was and its likely that it wasn't.  Its all speculation and assumptions.

We all have opinions and have the right to view them, but it is my opinion that she was indeed taken.  I might be wrong, but I could also be right. 

Part of me hopes that she is still alive, but part of me thinks she was killed within hours of her abduction.     
But, there is no proof she is dead like there is no proof she is alive. 

The whole investigation was a farce....The speculation of the missing blue holdall is just media crap and bad blog site banter.  There was never a holdall missing at all.

Its the same with the questions put to Kate. She was told by her lawyer to answer no to them all....but log sites and media had a bloody field day with it. 

The only thing Madeline's parents are guilty of is leaving their children in an unlocked apartment, but at the end of the they suffer for that mistake for the rest of their lives.  People forget that even though the children were in an unlocked apartment, they should still have been safe. No one had the right to enter it,nor did they have the right to steal a child.  If Madeline was taken we should be slating the monster that took her.

There are thousands of children being go missing every year and they are exploited in every way possible....If it was animals there would be a human outcry. The world and our government do nothing for the children in this world.....they suffer more than you will ever know.   

Morning Patti

I Love you.

Mark Williams-Thomas a criminologist and child protection expert believes Maddie wandered off. 

Perhaps thousands of children do go missing each year but not from the UK?  We cant compare children who go missing from all over the world where cultural differences exist in terms of childcare.  Sadly I think it says a lot that little Maria's birth parents are having to be sought out contrast this with the McCanns and Needhams.  We need to compare like for like and as far as I am aware the only British born children that have gone missing overseas in the last 22 odd years are Maddie and Ben.

[killingeve]

Hi Patti

I don't agree that the children were safe left unsupervised in the apartment.  Anything could have happened from one of them waking from a distressing dream to a fire breaking out.

Also think how little Jamie Bulger wandered off and was then taken by Thompson and Venables.

[Patti]

Morning Patti

I Love you.

Mark Williams-Thomas a criminologist and child protection expert believes Maddie wandered off. 

Perhaps thousands of children do go missing each year but not from the UK?  We cant compare children who go missing from all over the world where cultural differences exist in terms of childcare.  Sadly I think it says a lot that little Maria's birth parents are having to be sought out contrast this with the McCanns and Needhams.  We need to compare like for like and as far as I am aware the only British born children that have gone missing overseas in the last 22 odd years are Maddie and Ben.

Morning NN

I think you will be surprised at the amount of missing children that are missing and go missing in the UK the percentage is very high. Children go missing every single day in in the UK some are found and some are never found.  London is full of unwanted or missing children,folk turn a blind eye on them.

Its time the media supported missing children more and its also time the government spent some money in setting up our own headquarters on missing people. We have the CEOP and the NSPCC but we need a major body in all respects....and we have nothing really just a telephone number to report cases. xxxx

Missing whilst abroad is very rare and I agree with that.   

[Patti]

Hi Patti

I don't agree that the children were safe left unsupervised in the apartment.  Anything could have happened from one of them waking from a distressing dream to a fire breaking out.

Also think how little Jamie Bulger wandered off and was then taken by Thompson and Venables.

But what I am saying is that they should have been safe from an abduction. Not safe in regards to anything happening to them,like an accident I grant you. 

[killingeve]

Morning NN

I think you will be surprised at the amount of missing children that are missing and go missing in the UK the percentage is very high. Children go missing every single day in in the UK some are found and some are never found.  London is full of unwanted or missing children,folk turn a blind eye on them.

Its time the media supported missing children more and its also time the government spent some money in setting up our own headquarters on missing people. We have the CEOP and the NSPCC but we need a major body in all respects....and we have nothing really just a telephone number to report cases. xxxx

Missing whilst abroad is very rare and I agree with that.   

Hi Patti

What is the % of children that go missing in the UK?

[Patti]

Hi Patti

What is the % of children that go missing in the UK?

I saw it the other day on the news and it was higher than those in Europe.  I will try and find it...

[Patti]

USA: 797,500 children younger than 18 were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in
an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.
• 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.
• 58,200 children were the victims of nonfamily abductions.
• 115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. These crimes involve someone the child
does not know or a slight acquaintance who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or
more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.

In the UK, a child is reported missing every 3 minutes reported by Missing Children Bureau

A child in the UK goes missing every 5 minutes. Says ES http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/number-of-children-missing-in-london-up-by-a-third-8322791.html

This one says every 3 minutes.  http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/facts-and-stats-on-child-abuse/child-abduction-the-stats/missing-uk-children/

Above is the data base on missing and abused children.

Child alerts on Twitter report a missing child every 30 minutes....

There is loads of stuff online. 

[Patti]

Sky news say 1000 children go missing every year in the UK....I suspect the majority of those are found, but sadly not all of them do. 

http://news.sky.com/story/655463/the-missing-uks-lost-children

[tyler]

I don't agree that the PJ hashed the investigation. The evidence proves that instead,the British government hampered it. I don't agree either that there is no evidence that Maddie may have come to some harm. We have the evidence from Eddie and Keela,brought in by the Leicestershire Police. Dogs don't lie. However,unfortunately it is a fact that the British Government do.

[killingeve]

Sky news say 1000 children go missing every year in the UK....I suspect the majority of those are found, but sadly not all of them do. 

http://news.sky.com/story/655463/the-missing-uks-lost-children

 

Thanks Patti.  I will read all the data.  I appreciate that 1000 children might go missing every year in the UK but where do they come from?  I don't believe that we can compare UK born children with those born overseas as imo big cultural differences exist in the standard of childcare.  Also what is the definition of "children"?  16 - 17 year olds that leave care or come from broken homes? 

[Patti]

I don't agree that the PJ hashed the investigation. The evidence proves that instead,the British government hampered it. I don't agree either that there is no evidence that Maddie may have come to some harm. We have the evidence from Eddie and Keela,brought in by the Leicestershire Police. Dogs don't lie. However,unfortunately it is a fact that the British Government do.

Hi Tyler

Of course you can disagree, that's what its all about.  The fact and forensics tell a story, I'm sure you will agree with that. 

When M went missing the apartment just like WHF was made a thoroughfare which made fingerprinting and DNA sampling very difficult.  At the onset the police sent two traffic cops who had no idea how to handle a crime scene and did not take any steps to cordon off the apartment.  The shutter and windows had been touched and closed by the time the forensic team arrived. 

Amaral who headed the investigation did not turn up till 7am the following morning he was busy dining...The PJ did not take it seriously and failed to do relevant port/flight and road stops on the border to Spain.  They sent Ocean Club staff to search the bins and the area. Clips of the PJ searching were  not done side by side like our police do it....they were 25 to 50 yards apart....

Although the dogs found blood and cadaver in the car is inadmissible in a British court of law. DNA tests were done and it wasn't Madeline's....blood that is a fact.....The dogs can't say whose blood it was nor can they tell us who's dead body it was, that is why we rely on forensics and at the end of the day there were no forensic evidence that the blood or DNA found in the car was hers....