The case of Madeleine McCann

[mike tesko]

How could it have been designed to throw people off when she did see someone carrying a child? This man has now been identified.

The parents of Madeline had nothing to do with her disappearance nor did the friends they were with. Its pure speculation about the medical services and that Smith saw Gerry that night.  Its been established that was not the case Mike. 

Hi Patti,

I disagree about Jane Tanner definitely having seen anyone, since, she could easily have  gleaned information from the creche register, about parents collecting their children during the evening whilst parents wined and dined in the tapas bar or elsewhere. She may have seen such a man on a previous occasion, and recounted what she had seen then, as though she had seen it that night. It is very worrying that until recently no-one knew about a creche being in operation during the evening of Mad's disappearance. Tanner and the others may have used the creche themselves at other times of the day, and would have been fully aware of opening and closing times. Furthermore, since they themselves would have to sign their children in and out, it is possible that such information about late collections of children could have been seen written into the register...

Gerry McCann and Wilkes did not see Tanner, and I gather that the man who collected his child that evening, has no recollection of seeing either Tanner, McCann or Wilkes - I would be interested to hear his version of events regarding this, and the exact time the man attended the creche to collect his child, and walk back to his digs...

Did Tanners timing of her events match those of the man who collected his child? How did this fit in with Gerry McCanns and Wilkes account and timings - I would be very interested now, to compare these events, with the other timings found (impressions) in one of Maddies notebooks, relating to the timing of the checks made of the apartments by the parents and the others...

we will have to wait and see what pans out...

[Alias]

Has anyone seen the latest " lost child " who was found by police in Greece.? What a beautiful little girl,,though up to now,nobody has reported her missing.She's a delightful blonde,blue-eyed child who bore no resemblance to the filthy lot who had her in their possession.
It's in the Mail Online. Bless her little heart,,she was so dirty,lost and bewildered. How evil are these people who steal children like this.

Awww, just saw her on the news, she looks so frightened. Heartbreaking. Strange she was not reported missing. My guess is that those gypsies took her for the purpose of begging - a blond kid would be more appealing and generate more money (says the black-head...)

[maggie]

Awww, just saw her on the news, she looks so frightened. Heartbreaking. Strange she was not reported missing. My guess is that those gypsies took her for the purpose of begging - a blond kid would be more appealing and generate more money (says the black-head...)

Why else would they have wanted her, she would only be another mouth to feed unless the poor little thing was wanted for more sinister reasons?

[Patti]

Hi Patti,

I disagree about Jane Tanner definitely having seen anyone, since, she could easily have  gleaned information from the creche register, about parents collecting their children during the evening whilst parents wined and dined in the tapas bar or elsewhere. She may have seen such a man on a previous occasion, and recounted what she had seen then, as though she had seen it that night. It is very worrying that until recently no-one knew about a creche being in operation during the evening of Mad's disappearance. Tanner and the others may have used the creche themselves at other times of the day, and would have been fully aware of opening and closing times. Furthermore, since they themselves would have to sign their children in and out, it is possible that such information about late collections of children could have been seen written into the register...

Gerry McCann and Wilkes did not see Tanner, and I gather that the man who collected his child that evening, has no recollection of seeing either Tanner, McCann or Wilkes - I would be interested to hear his version of events regarding this, and the exact time the man attended the creche to collect his child, and walk back to his digs...

Did Tanners timing of her events match those of the man who collected his child? How did this fit in with Gerry McCanns and Wilkes account and timings - I would be very interested now, to compare these events, with the other timings found (impressions) in one of Maddies notebooks, relating to the timing of the checks made of the apartments by the parents and the others...

we will have to wait and see what pans out...

Hi Mike

We both disagree on this case, but I am open minded with any factual evidence there may be. 

The creche has always been known about since the onset and its nothing new.  The club provided a day creche and a night creshe along with a baby sitting service.  The man who JT saw is British and he states clearly that it was him walking back from the creche that night.  The most obvious reason for this not being found out sooner lays with the PJ and their lack of investigation on the case.

However, the day creche is east of PDL and this man was walking from the west towards the east.  I have no idea where the night creche was held....or whether it was held in the day creche.  The babysitting service was like the service we had at Butlins where someone walks round and listens in at each apartment.  This service was refused because the McCann's thought they themselves could offer the same service.

I don't think anyone had access to any records of who was attending the night service creche except those that used it. 

We will have to wait and see what the next move will be.......

[mike tesko]

As far as I know, day and evening creche was situated / located here:-

[Patti]

Hi Mike the day tapas creche was in tents.

[Patti]

The only other creche I have found is this one. There are only two photo's and a map saying where Madeline's creche was....

[mike tesko]

The only other creche I have found is this one. There are only two photo's and a map saying where Madeline's creche was....

Hi Patti,

Creche I knew about is situated here:-

[mike tesko]

The day and evening creche I knew about was located at the top of the road behind apartment blocks 5 and 4 (I stayed in block 6)...

If the man carrying the child came from the creche I am identifying, he would have crossed the road junction as previously described by Jane Tanner, whereas, if the evening  creche being mentioned now by SY is situated inside a tent in the grounds of the Ocean Club tapas bar, the man could not possibly have walked across the junction described, so where does that leave Jane Tanners account?

[mike tesko]

As I say, I believe that Mad's was not carried out of her bed, through any apartment window, but that she walked out of apartment 5A with someone that she knew and recognized. I think she was walked down to the car park behind the Baptiste supermarket, then carried beyond the Spa supermarket, en route to the confrontation with the Smith contingent:-

[mike tesko]

The alley / path leading to and from Kellys bar, where Smith contingent had been drinking that evening:-

[mike tesko]

Here's Kelly's bar, where the Smith family had been having a farewell drink together, before leaving and bumping into Mad's and the bloke carrying her, downhill towards LUZDOC, 'bout 10pm...

[Patti]

Hi Patti,

Creche I knew about is situated here:-

Mike those photo's I have posted are the creche's according to one of the official websites.  I have no idea of their locations though. 

Have you any photo's of the children's home? Or gypsy sites? To the north of PDL there is a caravan site...I have never seen a photo of this, but know its there....You can drive up by the beech to its location. 

[lookout]

I think the child will be in some gypsy encampment somewhere Patti. Authorities should now scour those areas,,as Madeleine will not now know who she is,,nor will Ben if he's been taken the same way.
In view of the little poppet who has just been found,any blonde children about in these camps, is going to arouse suspician.

With Ben being older,,the police should check their lists of criminals in case Ben was ever involved in a crime ( thieving ) as would be the order of the day if he's now a gypsy.

[maggie]

I think the child will be in some gypsy encampment somewhere Patti. Authorities should now scour those areas,,as Madeleine will not now know who she is,,nor will Ben if he's been taken the same way.
In view of the little poppet who has just been found,any blonde children about in these camps, is going to arouse suspician.

With Ben being older,,the police should check their lists of criminals in case Ben was ever involved in a crime ( thieving ) as would be the order of the day if he's now a gypsy.

I hate to ask the question but what would gypsy's want with these children?  It's true they may make good beggars but can't really see the point of that because they would also be another mouth to feed. 
I wonder what hope there is for this little girl even if her parents are found as all she knows is the gypsy life?
I hope and pray things will be resolved for them all.