Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[lookout]

Well, well, well, QUELLE surprise!!!!! And in the above we have the veracity of Lookout's assertion!!!!!!! You couldn't make it up, could you?......................Oh, wait a minute.........................can't you just see the headlines!!!! POPPY MEZE frees Jeremy Bamber!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice one, Mat

Grow up ! Aren't you MORE than satisfied by the fact that in YOUR world JB will die in prison ? If I were in your shoes I'd be forever dancing for joy at that prospect. Empathy and humility ? Don't make me laugh !

[lookout]

Why don't YOU go and see Poppy,she lives in your neck of the woods ? You could always pretend that you're on JB's side. 

[sami]

Lookouts claims come from Poppys blog as usual.  Just found them.

http://poppymeze.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/jeremy-bamberessex-police-and-missing.html


 After the trial and Jeremy's conviction, Mugford moved to Canada, eventually marrying, thus changing her name to Smerchanski.  There are two children from the marriage. I have checked on the accuracy of the following which is that after Mugford/Smerchanski became religious and confessed to her husband of her involvement and collusion in the resulting miscarriage of justice in Jeremy's case, he divorced her.  It is believed that she will be subpoenaed in the event of an appeal.

good work mat

[sami]

Why don't YOU go and see Poppy,she lives in your neck of the woods ? You could always pretend that you're on JB's side. 

and what would poppy have to say.she wasnt at whf when the murders took place,why would one believe what she says

[lookout]

good work mat

Erm,what's good about finding something that's been in the public domain for nearly 2 years,that the BLINKERED ones WON'T bother to look for because of the stance they've taken ? The only way that it's come to light is EVERYONE'S belief that I'd been " making things up " and in turn, chose to take pops at me instead of bothering to find out for themselves.
However,bravo to Mat for having the common sense to seek to verify it instead of Caroline's repeated " uncorroborated  evidence " .
I realise that when there is only half a brain working ( guilty ) that your focus is only one-sided too !!

[David1819]

Poppy goes on to say

  Recently I have begun to contemplate whether it was in fact Essex Police Fire Arms Team who fired the second shot into Sheila's neck even though she may have already been dead, as documents show that over fifty other people entered the crime scene over the following day and that the scene was used as a training exercise with the gun being moved on and off of Sheila's body.  Plus it seems strange that the original shattered bullet was miraculously made whole and changed size by the time of trial, perhaps another reason for the denial of the original logs of 'one dead male, one dead female in kitchen' and the non-disclosure of other events? Well, I say, 'non-disclosure' but that is just the phrase used to make the act seem more justifiable, in fact it means deliberately lying about events in order to fool judge and jury.

 

Regardless if true or not it does not exonerate Jeremy or incriminate him, Its the theory that EP accidently set off the rife while removing it from her body inflicting a second shot on her already dead body and that's its just another blunder they don't want us to know about.

With the track record of police incompetence in this case it would not surprise me if it was true, but I am 99.9% certain its not true for several seasons

[lookout]

At least I don't run with the hare and hunt with the hounds !!

[Caroline]

And ? Was I lying or making it up ?NO. I have verified that info myself !!

But it doesn't end there !! However,I'm keeping it under my hat.

You may have done well to have kept the lot under your hat. 

[lookout]

You may have done well to have kept the lot under your hat. 

Don't worry,I will do in future. 

[Caroline]

No mention in AEs notes or RBs diary of Julie Mugford telling them anything. Had Julie told them anything she would have to have told them the story of Mathew Macdonald and they didn't. Your debunking your own theories now

Ann Eaton at trial confirms the police told her that Shelia was found on the bed with the bible on her chest. Its even in her notes with NO mention of Julie



MR. RIVLIN: Let remind you. Is it not right that one of the police officers
told you that Uncle Nevill was in the kitchen near the coal scuttle, that the
twins were in their beds, shot?

A. Yes.

Q. That Aunt June Bamber and Sheila were both on the bed, shot, with Sheila having
a bible on her chest, with the gun beside her?

A. Yes.


MR RIVLIN: Do you see that? The third paragraph. Does it read as follows:
"One of the officers told me that Uncle Nevill Bamber was in the kitchen near
the coal scuttle. The twins were in their bed, shot, Aunt June and Sheila
Bamber both on the bed, shot, with Sheila Bamber having a bible on her
chest with the gun beside her"?

A. Yes.

Q. Does that help you to remember, Mrs. Eaton? You did say that to the police?

A. Yes, I must have done, because it is written down here. I can remember


You admit you don't believe everything Julie sais thus you believe her to be a liar yet you try and defend her as a credible witness? You believe her about MM because his name cannot be traced back to the relatives yet the idea of an accomplice and the £2000 payment can and the idea of MM being a hitman comes from MM himself and not Jeremy. You believe Julie got all the information the relatives had from Jeremy simply because the relatives did not mention an accomplice by name? 

I guess I cannot reason you out of a position that you did not reason yourself into in the first place

You're very good at stating what people would and wouldn't have done when you have absolutely no idea. The only way Julie would have mentioned MM, is if she told AE the full story of OF COURSE she wouldn't have done that. AE said that a police officer mentioned Sheila being on the bed, he may have mentioned the bible on the chest - we just don't know. However, FACT remains that the hit man story could only come from Jeremy! MM never said he was a hit man there was gossip that he was a mercenary (because he worked abroad and disappeared every now and again. He simply didn't dispel the rumour. You can't can't get out of the fact that MM wasn't mentioned and you're just full of wind!

[lookout]

and what would poppy have to say.she wasnt at whf when the murders took place,why would one believe what she says

Poppy has been communicating,writing/phoning Jeremy for years. The woman is no fool and had believed him guilty at one time. As she states,she is not " attached " to the CT.

[Caroline]

Erm,what's good about finding something that's been in the public domain for nearly 2 years,that the BLINKERED ones WON'T bother to look for because of the stance they've taken ? The only way that it's come to light is EVERYONE'S belief that I'd been " making things up " and in turn, chose to take pops at me instead of bothering to find out for themselves.
However,bravo to Mat for having the common sense to seek to verify it instead of Caroline's repeated " uncorroborated  evidence " .
I realise that when there is only half a brain working ( guilty ) that your focus is only one-sided too !!

I asked you where you read it and you refused to say. It is NOT up to me to provide links to every unsubstantiated bit of rubbish that you post here more or less on a daily basis. You must have known that Poppy Miller is a rubbish source so didn't mention it for that reason. You're a great one to talk about common sense and half a brain!

[Caroline]

Poppy has been communicating,writing/phoning Jeremy for years. The woman is no fool and had believed him guilty at one time. As she states,she is not " attached " to the CT.

So how does that show that she would know about Julie and Glen getting divorced? You didn't check it out properly - over the moon that Julie might have confessed but of course once again, you jumped the gun!

[Harry]

Regardless if true or not it does not exonerate Jeremy or incriminate him, Its the theory that EP accidently set off the rife while removing it from her body inflicting a second shot on her already dead body and that's its just another blunder they don't want us to know about.

With the track record of police incompetence in this case it would not surprise me if it was true, but I am 99.9% certain its not true for several seasons

Can you state what those reasons are? We know the police were responsible for staging Sheila's body in the right photograph. You can see that the police moved the body by about six inches. The bible has also been moved.

Who's to say that both photographs don't show Sheila's body as it was staged by the police?

Given they were messing around like that, accidentally shooting Sheila when she was already dead is a realistic possibility.

[lookout]

I asked you where you read it and you refused to say. It is NOT up to me to provide links to every unsubstantiated bit of rubbish that you post here more or less on a daily basis. You must have known that Poppy Miller is a rubbish source so didn't mention it for that reason. You're a great one to talk about common sense and half a brain!




There you go again------" rubbish ". Do you get a kick out of belittling people ? Does it make you feel superior ?
Poppy is an EXCELLENT source of information------can't say the same about you !! Now,how does it feel to look a duffer ?