Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[Steve_uk]

Hi Susan,
I was just reading one of the other cases on the forum and it made me think, at least they have the support of their families. Jeremy has no one from his family to support him. How easy it must be to turn against and believe to be guilty one who is not a blood relation? To be SO EASILY and quickly to be persuaded of his guilt? Just think for a moment. For Jeremy to have committed that awful crime. To kill everyone in his immediate family he must have been aware of the fact that none of his family would be there to support him through this tragedy. And that ALL of the remaining (non family members) are so convinced of his guilt and have persuaded all their friends that he is so that he has absolutely no one to care for him. Even that hypasensitive and tender in conscience girlfriend of his could only remember bad things to say about him and none of those good things that made her stay with him for two years. In fact nothing good about him has ever come out of her mouth. How strange? How easily that love turned to hate once he had dumped her? Amazing!
If I were Jeremy I just would not know how to cope if I was continually bullied and abused by those who both my former family and strangers with an over developed sense of self importance and a sanctimonious attitude towards this stranger. I find this both distressing and sad.

No they were not blood relations,the irony in that book title of Roger Wilkes evident,as however much members who are adoptees or who have adopted may rail against a stereotype I’m afraid that this is pertinent to the discussion of this case whether they like it or not.

It was Jeremy who came to regard his parents as convenient milch cows with no love involved in the transaction. Was Jeremy Bear on the rebound from Wulie Woo? We will never know,and whether Jeremy has ever experienced real unconditional love in his life is again difficult to say: if Julie did proffer it him it was ultimately firmly rebuffed as Jeremy once more opted for the physical side of a relationship. This confirms my suspicion that Jeremy is indeed a psychopath who could never find real happiness with one person.

[maggie]

No they were not blood relations,the irony in that book title of Roger Wilkes evident,as however much members who are adoptees or who have adopted may rail against a stereotype I’m afraid that this is pertinent to the discussion of this case whether they like it or not.

It was Jeremy who came to regard his parents as convenient milch cows with no love involved in the transaction. Was Jeremy Bear on the rebound from Wulie Woo? We will never know,and whether Jeremy has ever experienced real unconditional love in his life is again difficult to say: if Julie did proffer it him it was ultimately firmly rebuffed as Jeremy once more opted for the physical side of a relationship. This confirms my suspicion that Jeremy is indeed a psychopath who could never find real happiness with one person.

So you have the gift steve   You can spot a psychopath a mile off as opposed to all the highly experienced and gifted psychologists and psychiatrists who have examined him.  It's the easy answer steve, if all else fails scream psychopath.

[Jane]

No they were not blood relations,the irony in that book title of Roger Wilkes evident,as however much members who are adoptees or who have adopted may rail against a stereotype I’m afraid that this is pertinent to the discussion of this case whether they like it or not.

It was Jeremy who came to regard his parents as convenient milch cows with no love involved in the transaction. Was Jeremy Bear on the rebound from Wulie Woo? We will never know,and whether Jeremy has ever experienced real unconditional love in his life is again difficult to say: if Julie did proffer it him it was ultimately firmly rebuffed as Jeremy once more opted for the physical side of a relationship. This confirms my suspicion that Jeremy is indeed a psychopath who could never find real happiness with one person.

It would take total lack of feeling for one person in a partnership to remain happy whilst the other was clearly unhappy. Maybe Jeremy settled for the physical because the emotional was lacking. He was after all, a young man.

[Caroline R]

No they were not blood relations,the irony in that book title of Roger Wilkes evident,as however much members who are adoptees or who have adopted may rail against a stereotype I’m afraid that this is pertinent to the discussion of this case whether they like it or not.

It was Jeremy who came to regard his parents as convenient milch cows with no love involved in the transaction. Was Jeremy Bear on the rebound from Wulie Woo? We will never know,and whether Jeremy has ever experienced real unconditional love in his life is again difficult to say: if Julie did proffer it him it was ultimately firmly rebuffed as Jeremy once more opted for the physical side of a relationship. This confirms my suspicion that Jeremy is indeed a psychopath who could never find real happiness with one person.

I think I will stick with the professional assessment of JB's personality and leave the amateur psychiatry to you!!

[Lugg]

No they were not blood relations,the irony in that book title of Roger Wilkes evident,as however much members who are adoptees or who have adopted may rail against a stereotype I’m afraid that this is pertinent to the discussion of this case whether they like it or not.

It was Jeremy who came to regard his parents as convenient milch cows with no love involved in the transaction. Was Jeremy Bear on the rebound from Wulie Woo? We will never know,and whether Jeremy has ever experienced real unconditional love in his life is again difficult to say: if Julie did proffer it him it was ultimately firmly rebuffed as Jeremy once more opted for the physical side of a relationship. This confirms my suspicion that Jeremy is indeed a psychopath who could never find real happiness with one person.

With all due respect Steve, rubbish on two points. (1) My wife was an adoptee and she has none of that resentment that you speak of. Indeed she fully regarded her adoptive parents as her own and I suggest that Jeremy though the same about his parents. Why do I say that? because he consistently referred to his adoptive parents as his parents, his sister, his father etc. (2) You go against the official line of all the psychiatrists who have assessed Jeremy who are consistent in their opinion that Jeremy was not, is not a psychopath. You have totally ignored the facts on both counts I'm afraid. Unless of course you are both an adption agency and a psychiatrist? As for me I have only the proven facts to go by.

[Steve_uk]

So you have the gift steve   You can spot a psychopath a mile off as opposed to all the highly experienced and gifted psychologists and psychiatrists who have examined him.  It's the easy answer steve, if all else fails scream psychopath.

It's the conclusion Rivlin and his defence team came to after talking to an eminent London psychologist:Bamber showed all the classic symptoms of the psychopath who had put the murders completely out of his mind.

Why do you think more of this issue was not made of at trial?

[Steve_uk]

It would take total lack of feeling for one person in a partnership to remain happy whilst the other was clearly unhappy. Maybe Jeremy settled for the physical because the emotional was lacking. He was after all, a young man.

That's a profound remark dressed in simple language april1 and I salute you for it. I do recollect Julie talking of showing a photograph to Jeremy and possibly reading a poem when they were both in happier times and I believe that this was one of the few times if not the only time that Jeremy expressed genuine emotion,as he realized in himself that what they had together simply wasn't enough for them. If only Charles and Diana had seen that earlier too.

[Steve_uk]

With all due respect Steve, rubbish on two points. (1) My wife was an adoptee and she has none of that resentment that you speak of. Indeed she fully regarded her adoptive parents as her own and I suggest that Jeremy though the same about his parents. Why do I say that? because he consistently referred to his adoptive parents as his parents, his sister, his father etc. (2) You go against the official line of all the psychiatrists who have assessed Jeremy who are consistent in their opinion that Jeremy was not, is not a psychopath. You have totally ignored the facts on both counts I'm afraid. Unless of course you are both an adption agency and a psychiatrist? As for me I have only the proven facts to go by.

Lugg everyone's experience of adoption is different and whilst there may indeed be a 99% satisfaction rate which I doubt I'm afraid sometimes those adoptees who have been happy are the last people to judge whether another family is happy or not. Point two I have dealt with in another reply.

[maggie]

It's the conclusion Rivlin and his defence team came to after talking to an eminent London psychologist:Bamber showed all the classic symptoms of the psychopath who had put the murders completely out of his mind.

Why do you think more of this issue was not made of at trial?

Did the 'eminent London psychologist' actually test Jeremy Bamber?  Why have 27 others said he is not a psychopath and not hiding his psychopathy?  Why do you believe the one who fits in with your theory and dismiss 27 others......? 

[Steve_uk]

Did the 'eminent London psychologist' actually test Jeremy Bamber?  Why have 27 others said he is not a psychopath and not hiding his psychopathy?  Why do you believe the one who fits in with your theory and dismiss 27 others......?

It was an opinion at the time that's all. As the murders fade from the mind it becomes easier to fake emotion in my opinion. I'm afraid I don't believe Jeremy's crocodile tears at the funeral or his blubbering heard from the street at Goldhanger that first morning.

[Jane]

That's a profound remark dressed in simple language april1 and I salute you for it. I do recollect Julie talking of showing a photograph to Jeremy and possibly reading a poem when they were both in happier times and I believe that this was one of the few times if not the only time that Jeremy expressed genuine emotion,as he realized in himself that what they had together simply wasn't enough for them. If only Charles and Diana had seen that earlier too.

Thank you for that, Steve. May I also compliment you on your realization that often being in love alone is not enough. Maybe there was one precious moment for them, and many others, when they loved equally, but when it started to fade, for which ever one because expectation weren't met, dreams weren't fulfilled, the other couldn't do the loving for both of them. That's enough of that, Steve. Normal service is resumed

[maggie]

It was an opinion at the time that's all. As the murders fade from the mind it becomes easier to fake emotion in my opinion. I'm afraid I don't believe Jeremy's crocodile tears at the funeral or his blubbering heard from the street at Goldhanger that first morning.

An opinion?  Are you sure he really gave an opinion. I would have thought a professional man would or certainly should have been a little more careful with his words.

[Lugg]

Lugg everyone's experience of adoption is different and whilst there may indeed be a 99% satisfaction rate which I doubt I'm afraid sometimes those adoptees who have been happy are the last people to judge whether another family is happy or not. Point two I have dealt with in another reply.

Not good enough explanation Steve. He consistently referred to his parents as "his parents".

[Lugg]

It was an opinion at the time that's all. As the murders fade from the mind it becomes easier to fake emotion in my opinion. I'm afraid I don't believe Jeremy's crocodile tears at the funeral or his blubbering heard from the street at Goldhanger that first morning.

I wonder, would you "blubber" if you just heard that all your family were wiped out? Crocodiles don't have tears by the way.

[Lugg]

An opinion?  Are you sure he really gave an opinion. I would have thought a professional man would or certainly should have been a little more careful with his words.

Mind you, it could explain why Rivlin didn't do his best at the trial?