Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[Patti]

The way Jeremy sniffed around everything and everyone I bet he knew exactly what she was prescribed and learned  that "she hasn't been taking her medication" as June told the electrician earlier in the week. Jeremy's natural father was in the Army Medical Corps and Jeremy's favourite subject at school was chemistry and I wouldn't have put it past him to read up on schizophrenia and the possibilities this opened up to him in using Sheila as a scapegoat.

No blood down the front of her nightie,no lead on hands,perfect nails,no sign she had been in a struggle with anyone,involuntary body movements making the reloading of a gun difficult if not impossible,and Nevill alive at 3:26am with the Police arriving at 3:48am when no sound of running water was heard,no shouts or screams.

I have told you before:a woman such as Sheila might have looked out of the window and seen Police arrive. She would then have taken the corpses of Nicholas and Daniel outside in her arms to show them and tell them how she had saved their souls. Such are the actions conducive of a schizophrenic,not scarpering upstairs to shoot herself twice and lay to rest alongside the one person she really did not get along with,her mother June.

Surely then if someone else had killed the family they would have put blood on her and made sure she looked like she had done it....

Hi By the way 

[Steve_uk]

Surely then if someone else had killed the family they would have put blood on her and made sure she looked like she had done it....

Hi By the way 

Hi Patti,Jeremy did scatter Sheila's notes and threw the New English Bible on her. Didn't he also do the same with June,which would have been a King James version.

[lookout]

The bible was found by Sheilas' right side on entry into the farmhouse.

Steve,,,you must have read that it isn't unusual for a mother to kill her children,,,out of love,not hatred,,,then turn the gun on themselves. Sadly,it was rarely heard of back in 1985.

[Patti]

Hi Patti,Jeremy did scatter Sheila's notes and threw the New English Bible on her. Didn't he also do the same with June,which would have been a King James version.

The bible could have been moved when the connecting door was opened, this was explained by one of the raid team...In fact several of the raid team said the position of the bible was not how they had seen it, it was they said nearer her waist...

Assumptions Steve are no good we needs concrete evidence....not imagination....Anyway good night to you, don't have nightmares....

[Alias]

The way Jeremy sniffed around everything and everyone I bet he knew exactly what she was prescribed and learned  that "she hasn't been taking her medication" as June told the electrician earlier in the week. Jeremy's natural father was in the Army Medical Corps and Jeremy's favourite subject at school was chemistry and I wouldn't have put it past him to read up on schizophrenia and the possibilities this opened up to him in using Sheila as a scapegoat.

No blood down the front of her nightie,no lead on hands,perfect nails,no sign she had been in a struggle with anyone,involuntary body movements making the reloading of a gun difficult if not impossible,and Nevill alive at 3:26am with the Police arriving at 3:48am when no sound of running water was heard,no shouts or screams.

I have told you before:a woman such as Sheila might have looked out of the window and seen Police arrive. She would then have taken the corpses of Nicholas and Daniel outside in her arms to show them and tell them how she had saved their souls. Such are the actions conducive of a schizophrenic,not scarpering upstairs to shoot herself twice and lay to rest alongside the one person she really did not get along with,her mother June.

Steve, I always enjoy a piece of good fiction - and this is exactly what this is.

I could use my imagination too and say that Sheila did this to "please" her mother. It was June who had called Sheila "the Devil´s child", and following that, Sheila saw her sons as "the Devil´s children." She could have done this as a "sacrifice" to clean the world of all this Devil´s spawn! In her schizophrenic mind, she could have thought they were all going to heaven together, cleansed. Mixed with feelings of resentment and revenge perhaps.

But that is fiction too...

[lookout]

The bible was found by Sheilas' right side on entry into the farmhouse.

Steve,,,you must have read that it isn't unusual for a mother to kill her children,,,out of love,not hatred,,,then turn the gun on themselves. Sadly,it was rarely heard of back in 1985.

Why are the diaries and suicide notes/letters being withheld do you think,after all these years.?

[maggie]

The bible was found by Sheilas' right side on entry into the farmhouse.

Steve,,,you must have read that it isn't unusual for a mother to kill her children,,,out of love,not hatred,,,then turn the gun on themselves. Sadly,it was rarely heard of back in 1985.

ait still happened tho lookout. Someone I knew as a child attempted to kill herself and her children. It was kept very quiet. No headlines in the local paper.....nothing. So no doubt it happened but it was dealt with quietly. ....How times have changed.

[lookout]

ait still happened tho lookout. Someone I knew as a child attempted to kill herself and her children. It was kept very quiet. No headlines in the local paper.....nothing. So no doubt it happened but it was dealt with quietly. ....How times have changed.

Hi Maggie,,there was very little understanding of it then,,and sadly,,they're not much further on 27 years later,,but at least it's been made aware of because of things like this happening such as blame falling on others.

[maggie]

Hi Maggie,,there was very little understanding of it then,,and sadly,,they're not much further on 27 years later,,but at least it's been made aware of because of things like this happening such as blame falling on others.

I think women understood and felt sympathy but it was a mans world and they didnt get it at all.

[lookout]

(Ooooh,,Schindlers List is on,,,an oldish black and white version.) ITV3.

[lookout]

I think women understood and felt sympathy but it was a mans world and they didnt get it at all.

That was usually the way,Maggie,,,yes,it was a mans' world once upon a time.

[Steve_uk]

The bible was found by Sheilas' right side on entry into the farmhouse.

Steve,,,you must have read that it isn't unusual for a mother to kill her children,,,out of love,not hatred,,,then turn the gun on themselves. Sadly,it was rarely heard of back in 1985.

Lookout you talk of turning the gun on themselves..how many women with schizophrenia in America where the gun culture as you know is far more prevalent have used guns to kill their children and then themselves? Did Catherine Murch have schizophrenia..it's the only case I can recall out of the 150 million or so women in America,because using firearms is a man's crime.

[lookout]

Lookout you talk of turning the gun on themselves..how many women with schizophrenia in America where the gun culture as you know is far more prevalent have used guns to kill their children and then themselves? Did Catherine Murch have schizophrenia..it's the only case I can recall out of the 150 million or so women in America,because using firearms is a man's crime.

Steve,,it's quite a high percentage in America of course,,but I suppose if you google the subject,,you'd get an overall picture. I'll have a go.

[maggie]

Lookout you talk of turning the gun on themselves..how many women with schizophrenia in America where the gun culture as you know is far more prevalent have used guns to kill their children and then themselves? Did Catherine Murch have schizophrenia..it's the only case I can recall out of the 150 million or so women in America,because using firearms is a man's crime.

Just because it doesnt happen very often doesnt mean it doesnt happen at all steve.

[Caroline R]

Lookout you talk of turning the gun on themselves..how many women with schizophrenia in America where the gun culture as you know is far more prevalent have used guns to kill their children and then themselves? Did Catherine Murch have schizophrenia..it's the only case I can recall out of the 150 million or so women in America,because using firearms is a man's crime.

Well, the whole topic of murder is something we ladies shouldn't worry our pretty little heads about  . What a ridiculous thing to say Steve!!