Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[lookout]

For more information on filicide/suicide,,read what Resnick has to write. It's an excellent insight.

[Steve_uk]

Who said she planned anything in advance?

Sheila didn't plan anything in advance,but Jeremy had it all thought out. He had thought it out all day on the tractor..

[Steve_uk]

For more information on filicide/suicide,,read what Resnick has to write. It's an excellent insight.

The woman who as a girl was squeamish about a chicken having its neck wrung would not have used a gun,however well written and researched Resnick's work is.

[maggie]

The woman who as a girl was squeamish about a chicken having its neck wrung would not have used a gun,however well written and researched Resnick's work is.

Most girls would be more than squeamish at a chicken having its neck rung and quite a few men too. It has no baring on the tragedy of schizophrenia, psychosis and severe depression steve.

[lookout]

The woman who as a girl was squeamish about a chicken having its neck wrung would not have used a gun,however well written and researched Resnick's work is.

My dear Steve,,,she was a girl.Most girls run if they see a hen running after them. Sheilas' problems started from her teenage years,,and at 17,we all know what happened to the promiscuous lass.

[Steve_uk]

Most girls would be more than squeamish at a chicken having its neck rung and quite a few men too. It has no baring on the tragedy of schizophrenia, psychosis and severe depression steve.

Sheila had never harmed anybody before,nor had she threatened suicide.

[maggie]

My dear Steve,,,she was a girl.Most girls run if they see a hen running after them. Sheilas' problems started from her teenage years,,and at 17,we all know what happened to the promiscuous lass.

I have always believed she was in the early development of scizophrenia from puberty onward lookout. This would account for her chaos and difficulty in mixing. Also her promiscuity and ultra sensitivity??

[lookout]

Sheila had never harmed anybody before,nor had she threatened suicide.

Steve,,,she told the doctor she was suicidal and could easily kill the children.Nobody took a blind bit of notice.

[maggie]

Sheila had never harmed anybody before,nor had she threatened suicide.

Steve her friend or cousin made a statement which is in the archives . This person states that Sheila did speak to her about suicide. You have seen it before. Will find it tomorrow. Most schizophrenics are first diagnosed after a failed suicide attempt.

[lookout]

3x4ths of parents had psychiatric symptoms prior to committing filicide and 40% had recently seen a physician or psychiatrist. In fact,some mothers talked openly of suicide and even concern about the future of their children.  If multiple, commonly occurring factors can be identified in filicide/suicide offenders,,by clinicians,prior to the act,,,there is hope that some deaths may be prevented.

[Steve_uk]

Steve,,,she told the doctor she was suicidal and could easily kill the children.Nobody took a blind bit of notice.

I think she said she thought the Devil had given them power to exercise evil over people,not nice admittedly but not quite what you said. That was in any case her first stay at St. Andrews' in Autumn 1983. By March 1985 she had more of a religious fervour and said positive things about the twins.

No doubt Jeremy had got wind of all of this and distorted the whole thing in his mind. It is indicative of how his brain was working that the idea to do away with his family and blame Sheila had taken hold by the Christmas of 1984,as corroborated indirectly by Charles Marsden and of course directly by Julie in her statement.

[Caroline R]

I doubt Nevill or June would have left that rifle where Jeremy claims he put it along with the ammunition spilled out on the blue and white chequered kitchen worktop,but leaving that aside there must be hundreds of thousands of mentally ill women in America with access to firearms,yet I'm having difficulty in finding concrete examples who share but a tenuous link to the Sheila Caffell case.

There doesn't have to be a link, there are ALWAYS exceptions to the rule!

[Patti]

Caroline I'm looking at the statistics for suicide among schizophrenic women who kill their children with a gun.

Hi Steve

We can't compare gun crimes here in the UK, because we are not a gun nation. Most mentally ill people that kill their children use alternate methods, sad to say and, it is most rife........I would not compare with the USA....because that nation has guns coming out their ears. 

[Steve_uk]

Steve her friend or cousin made a statement which is in the archives . This person states that Sheila did speak to her about suicide. You have seen it before. Will find it tomorrow. Most schizophrenics are first diagnosed after a failed suicide attempt.

There was no failed suicide attempt if that's what you're trying to allege. She did put her hand through glass,and whilst unpleasant and a sign that Sheila was ill it's more indicative of the self-harm which schizophrenics as a whole are prone to.

[maggie]

Steve,,,she told the doctor she was suicidal and could easily kill the children.Nobody took a blind bit of notice.

Sheila and the rest of the family were totally let down by the professionals. They were all left to get on with it best they could. I dont wonder June and Ralph were worn out by it all. They must have been worn out with worry sbout Sheila and the twins.