Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[maggie]

You really must make up your mind whether you believe Jeremy did it or a third person did it. If a third person did it for Jeremy why then would he have had a shower and wear too many clothes?

Lugg I really think Steve is kidding, surely he's sitting at home laughing  his head off at us all trying to answer his posts. ?

[Lugg]

It's in Julie's diary here,with that telling remark from Jeremy:"the trick is to tell the truth as much as possible"..http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=255.0

Good grief Steve you aren't getting your information from that forum are you? No wonder you're all over the place with the facts.

[Steve_uk]

You really must make up your mind whether you believe Jeremy did it or a third person did it. If a third person did it for Jeremy why then would he have had a shower and wear too many clothes?

The point is Lugg that if Julie has been backed into a corner as the Defence suggests and is prepared to proffer a tissue of lies in a quid pro quo for the Osea Road and cheque fraud to be dropped then she is not going to risk making up stories of a £2000 sum for five deaths, giving a name as to the murderer or Jeremy practising on rats to steel himself for the task in hand. She also mentions that Jeremy told her a glove came off in the struggle with Nevill which was not released to the Press,and is one explanation for the few fingerprints found on the murder weapon.

[Steve_uk]

Good grief Steve you aren't getting your information from that forum are you? No wonder you're all over the place with the facts.

I would read the diary entries first if I were you.

[Jane]

It's in Julie's diary here,with that telling remark from Jeremy:"the trick is to tell the truth as much as possible"..http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=255.0

Whilst I wouldn't dispute those words being in her diary, whose word were they?

[Caroline R]

It's in Julie's diary here,with that telling remark from Jeremy:"the trick is to tell the truth as much as possible"..http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=255.0

I wouldn't believe anything Mugford spouts!

[Steve_uk]

I can understand that people think that Jeremy Bamber was responsible for the murders. What I cannot understand is the glorification of Julie Mugford. According to her, she did get those sleeping pills for Jeremy to KILL his family + she was a thief (along with Jeremy) and a fraudster (on her own with a girlfriend). How can she be regarded as a nice person??
Is it because you HAVE to think she is, because most of the case hinged on her testimony?

No she got the sleeping pills because of the stress of teaching in Inner London in the 1980s and took them to Goldhanger which was her second home for much of the time. It's evident to me that even at this embryonic stage Jeremy was attempting to rope Julie in as an accessory and thereby ensure her silence.

Most of the case did not hinge on Julie's testimony,but it was certainly the most dramatic in the courtroom as her story bore the hallmarks of the human tragedy it was. To my mind the non-existent telephone call from Nevill was Jeremy's downfall,though of course difficult if not impossible to prove as Jeremy knew full well.

[Lugg]

I would read the diary entries first if I were you.

I tried to find the diaries. But found myself wading through a big pile of s**t to get to them.

[Patti]

She got pills because she was doing exams at college....nothing to do with teaching. Anyway she was dismissed in the end! Sad to say. 

[Steve_uk]

Whilst I wouldn't dispute those words being in her diary, whose word were they?

"The trick is to tell the truth as much as possible" are Jeremy's words april1,uttered to Julie in all seriousness in one of their few times alone after the murders as they walk around the block of Julie's parents house. They could well be the subject of a new thread in themselves,but give an indication as to how Jeremy's mind is working after the crimes as he attempts to keep one step ahead of Police. Of course we know this is exactly what he did manage to do as he had the lead man in the investigation fooled,DCI Taff Jones,and this must have given him succour especially after his lame questioning of Jeremy on Sunday 9 September.

[Alias]

No she got the sleeping pills because of the stress of teaching in Inner London in the 1980s and took them to Goldhanger which was her second home for much of the time. It's evident to me that even at this embryonic stage Jeremy was attempting to rope Julie in as an accessory and thereby ensure her silence.

Most of the case did not hinge on Julie's testimony,but it was certainly the most dramatic in the courtroom as her story bore the hallmarks of the human tragedy it was. To my mind the non-existent telephone call from Nevill was Jeremy's downfall,though of course difficult if not impossible to prove as Jeremy knew full well.

She gave Jeremy permission to use the pills on his family. To KILL them. She is soooo nice!

[Caroline R]

It's in Julie's diary here,with that telling remark from Jeremy:"the trick is to tell the truth as much as possible"..http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=255.0

What utter rubbish! That was so obviously written LONG after the fact. Hook, line and sinker springs to mind!!

[Jane]

No she got the sleeping pills because of the stress of teaching in Inner London in the 1980s and took them the Goldhanger which was her second home for much of the time. It's evident to me that even at this embryonic stage Jeremy was attempting to rope Julie in as an accessory and thereby ensure her silence.

Most of the case did not hinge on Julie's testimony,but it was certainly the most dramatic in the courtroom as her story bore the hallmarks of the human tragedy it was. To my mind the non-existent telephone call from Nevill was Jeremy's downfall,though of course difficult if not impossible to prove as Jeremy knew full well.

According to what you have previously told us Steve, she said Jeremy asked her to get them for him and I feel perfectly certain that of the two of them it was she who was more likely to be obsessed with lack of money, because it had never been as available to her as it had to Jeremy, who probably took having money for granted. Now if you had said that JM encouraged him to get more for her own benefit, because it's beginning to look like she was going through his fairly quickly, I'd feel more inclined to believe you. I believe she also accepted money for giving statements to the police. How very public spirited of her.

[Jane]

"The trick is to tell the truth as much as possible" are Jeremy's words april1,uttered to Julie in all seriousness in one of their few times alone after the murders as they walk around the block of Julie's parents house. They could well be the subject of a new thread in themselves,but give an indication as to how Jeremy's mind is working after the crimes as he attempts to keep one step ahead of Police. Of course we know this is exactly what he did manage to do as he had the lead man in the investigation fooled,DCI Taff Jones,and this must have given him succour especially after his lame questioning of Jeremy on Sunday 9 September.

Steve, unless you were there at the time, the best you can say is that JM said he said those words.

[Steve_uk]

She got pills because she was doing exams at college....nothing to do with teaching. Anyway she was dismissed in the end! Sad to say. 

Part of training to be a teacher is attending college,being placed in a school with a part-timetable but planning lessons with self-criticism whilst attempting to juggle the academic demands of both places. It's an impossible job at the best of times and no wonder Julie went to the doctor to ask for something to help her get a decent night's sleep of an evening. She probably ended up with some placebo or other which was far too mild to give her the good night's sleep she required or to put Nevill to sleep after he had drunk his gin and tonic.

Julie was not dismissed patti as you allege but she was moved to another school in the authority after the case which as we all know on this forum attracted considerable notoriety at the time and is still doing to this day.Julie taught for a further two years before meeting her future husband on a round the world trip,went back to Canada with him and still managed to juggle career and family in a way which I personally have never been skillful enough to achieve.