Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[lookout]

Maybe the cocaine was beginning to wear off and Jeremy had to confront the awfulness of his actions. Or maybe Julie was right at Blazers' restaurant Blackheath and Jeremy told her he felt nothing for the deaths. He was jealous of the twins which Sheila brought out to the tractor(and hence the "no comment" to Police on this piece of evidence)because his children had not been born when Suzette Ford had a series of miscarriages. Jeremy was going to even it out. In any case Jeremy had to be in control:it's why he stuck with Julie for so long and why he despised his parents so much as he began to understand that those who paid the piper called the tune.

I wouldn't take anything that JM said,as authentic at all. She was a gossip-monger who knew she'd gone too far with that mouth of hers. A loose tongue in a loose woman.Recipe for danger and that's what JB was. She wasn't in love with Jeremy.She was watching his every movement,,listening to his sometimes silly talk which she knew was at the time,,but elaborated latterly in court. Circumstantial evidence shouldn't incarcerate a man for 27 years,,,but she was the actress and she made it happen. Shame on her.

[Jane]

Maybe the cocaine was beginning to wear off and Jeremy had to confront the awfulness of his actions. Or maybe Julie was right at Blazers' restaurant Blackheath and Jeremy told her he felt nothing for the deaths. He was jealous of the twins which Sheila brought out to the tractor(and hence the "no comment" to Police on this piece of evidence)because his children had not been born when Suzette Ford had a series of miscarriages. Jeremy was going to even it out. In any case Jeremy had to be in control:it's why he stuck with Julie for so long and why he despised his parents so much as he began to understand that those who paid the piper called the tune.

That piece of ordure doesn't even come close to a balance of probabilities.

[maggie]

You make a lot of things up,, don´t you? Never heard this one before: Jeremy jealous of Sheila for having the twins, while he had no children!

Actually Alias we haven't seen that one before tonight either, I don't think but that's our steve....he's full of novel ideas

[Steve_uk]

I have seen this slow driving used against Jeremy many times. I have to admit, I don´t quite get how that incriminates him???

He's composing himself before the encounter with Police.

[Caroline R]

They were the new generation,they were in June's will and Jeremy was a stranger to them. He realized they had to be disposed of and he steeled himself for the task in hand by attempting to strangle rats. In the event he probably shot them in the dark then refused to identify the bodies. The last picture he had in his mind would be the twins inside the tractor under the canopy.

Guff!!

[Jane]

They were the new generation,they were in June's will and Jeremy was a stranger to them. He realized they had to be disposed of and he steeled himself for the task in hand by attempting to strangle rats. In the event he probably shot them in the dark then refused to identify the bodies. The last picture he had in his mind would be the twins inside the tractor under the canopy.

This, too, cannot be considered to be a balance of probabilities.

[Alias]

He's composing himself before the encounter with Police.

It could also be that he was composing himself with a possible family tragedy. Or he was simply afraid and wanted the protection being there with police provided.
It could just as well be that.

[Steve_uk]

I wouldn't take anything that JM said,as authentic at all. She was a gossip-monger who knew she'd gone too far with that mouth of hers. A loose tongue in a loose woman.Recipe for danger and that's what JB was. She wasn't in love with Jeremy.She was watching his every movement,,listening to his sometimes silly talk which she knew was at the time,,but elaborated latterly in court. Circumstantial evidence shouldn't incarcerate a man for 27 years,,,but she was the actress and she made it happen. Shame on her.

Why was there a ladies' bicycle at Goldhanger on Saturday 3 August when Julie was returning to London on the Sunday night? Jeremy is using her as a cover,and the telephone calls on Tuesday night through Wednesday morning are a crude design to rope Julie in as an accessory. Had Julie wanted to convince Police give her more credence as to make up a sum of £2000 as payment for the murders. This so obviously to my mind emanated from Jeremy's mouth.

[Patti]

Why was there a ladies' bicycle at Goldhanger on Saturday 3 August when Julie was returning to London on the Sunday night? Jeremy is using her as a cover,and the telephone calls on Tuesday night through Wednesday morning are a crude design to rope Julie in as an accessory. Had Julie wanted to convince Police give her more credence as to make up a sum of £2000 as payment for the murders. This so obviously to my mind emanated from Jeremy's mouth.

Julie asked for the bike, it is in her statement 

[Jane]

Why was there a ladies' bicycle at Goldhanger on Saturday 3 August when Julie was returning to London on the Sunday night? Jeremy is using her as a cover,and the telephone calls on Tuesday night through Wednesday morning are a crude design to rope Julie in as an accessory. Had Julie wanted to convince Police give her more credence as to make up a sum of £2000 as payment for the murders. This so obviously to my mind emanated from Jeremy's mouth.

The expression "roping her in" really doesn't hold water, because according to you, JM was already well and truly "in", even to the point of obtaining sleeping pills for him to drug his family with, therefore, because she CHOSE not to opt out, she was a willing party to whatever she said was going on, which given the high regard she appeared to place on things financial, is hardly surprising

[Lugg]

Steve,,Jeremy was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. How would it have looked if Jeremy had driven like a bat out of Hell.? The officers would have then thought he was " too eager ",,so he drove slowly,,probably out of sheer spite because they'd refused him a lift with them.

Of course the logical reason for him driving slowly was to let the police pass him. I always drive slow when I see a blue light in my rear view mirror. The police obviously had to make him look as guilty as hell so at the debriefing they were instructed to do this obviously. It's all there I'm afraid.

[maggie]

It could also be that he was composing himself with a possible family tragedy. Or he was simply afraid and wanted the protection being there with police provided.
It could just as well be that.

It couldb e that Alias.  Last summer I had a call about 1am from a very close family member, the police had been called and I needed to go.  Now what would you think you'd do...jump in the car and drive the 5 miles down empty country lanes like a mad thing.  I would have thought so but no I drove slowly within the speed limit, intent on getting there safely but also not wanting to get there,  So I understand why he may have behaved like that.  Your mind takes over....fear I suppose.

[Lugg]

Why was there a ladies' bicycle at Goldhanger on Saturday 3 August when Julie was returning to London on the Sunday night? Jeremy is using her as a cover,and the telephone calls on Tuesday night through Wednesday morning are a crude design to rope Julie in as an accessory. Had Julie wanted to convince Police give her more credence as to make up a sum of £2000 as payment for the murders. This so obviously to my mind emanated from Jeremy's mouth.

You really must make up your mind whether you believe Jeremy did it or a third person did it. If a third person did it for Jeremy why then would he have had a shower and wear too many clothes?

[Steve_uk]

It's in Julie's diary here,with that telling remark from Jeremy:"the trick is to tell the truth as much as possible"..http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=255.0

[Alias]

The expression "roping her in" really doesn't hold water, because according to you, JM was already well and truly "in", even to the point of obtaining sleeping pills for him to drug his family with, therefore, because she CHOSE not to opt out, she was a willing party to whatever she said was going on, which given the high regard she appeared to place on things financial, is hardly surprising

I can understand that people think that Jeremy Bamber was responsible for the murders. What I cannot understand is the glorification of Julie Mugford. According to her, she did get those sleeping pills for Jeremy to KILL his family + she was a thief (along with Jeremy) and a fraudster (on her own with a girlfriend). How can she be regarded as a nice person??
Is it because you HAVE to think she is, because most of the case hinged on her testimony?