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Offline lookout

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Re: The abusive remarks towards Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2013, 12:20:PM »
It's only the wealthy that can deal drugs.Take Curtis Warren,worth over £300 million,,but still carried on.
If Jeremy ever did ( I haven't seen any reference to coke ) it was a plant or two that he grew in his garden,in full view,not his attic in heated surrounds,,,then it was strictly for his own,and one or two friends' recreation and leisure.
Sheila,,I would have said,was the biggest user,,along with the biggest debt to pay.She was also a heavy smoker of cigars,cigarettes and cannabis,,some of which Neville kept in the safe,,though doubtless it was never enough.

Vidvic,,,all those quotes you've made about Jeremy,,,are the dreams and realities of young 24 year olds this day and age. So nothing awe-inspiring there,,unless you happen to either be a Quaker,or live out in the sticks having a very insular outlook on life.

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Re: The abusive remarks towards Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2013, 12:46:PM »
  Quote by V V :- 'In a parallel Universe we find'...  the untranslatable latin looking saying, below the post, freely signifies, by double usage of the words Stulti (fool) and the non-latin word 'idiociae' that it speaks for itself.

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Re: The abusive remarks towards Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2013, 12:49:PM »
Well they are a regular thing aren't they? He is bad mouthed at every opportunity by the guilty party. You are all familiar with these terms I am sure. He is a "liar" or "effeminate" or a "druggy" or "vain" or he is "greedy" and of course we are reminded at every opportunity that he is a "child killer". Oh that is bound to enflame every decent sort in the country. In fact according to these people he didn't have a good bone in his body.

We on the forum of course have to receive all this abusive language that is carefully calculated to make sure that no one should be tempted to defend this man. And of course if any do happen to see a miscarriage of justice in this case we are termed simple minded or halfwits and even child murderer lovers. In any case those of us who try to point out where the law has gone wrong are made to feel that we are liars and deceivers and even hypocrites if we seek to point out various anomalies in the case.

We of course dare not even tread near the halos of the relatives. We are never to question their integrity or honesty. If we dare to say anything at all against them we are firmly reminded that such disgraceful and abominable behaviour is off limits because they are protected by the golden throne of common decency. We are also told quite firmly that we we are hypocritical if we dare to express any kind of doubt against their good name. So beware if you intend to tread on their platform of personal piety or transgress those holy Templars who guard the relatives with their lives, never doubting that they too are perhaps being used? For to do so you will surely be made to think that you have the darkest heart in all mankind.

Now looking at this logically don't you think these terms are a little unfair? If of course you would like to see a full blown tyrade of abuse you can go over to the euphemistically termed "red" forum where you will be able to sample the delicacies of abuse not only towards Jeremy Bamber. But also towards his defenders and supporters. Sit down over there and enjoy the good company of some of the worst internet abusers and the sweetmeats of the most miserable psychopathic offenders you may find anywhere in the world. Go ahead. Eat and drink with them and enjoy. But be warned. You are what you eat as we are reminded by some of the greatest food Connoisseurs in the world.

We my friends are meant to take all this and Jeremy is supposed to endure all these lies that are levelled against him because the law says so. Yes this "law" that we are meant to acknowledge just because of a cunning prosecuting counsel who witheld thousands of bits of evidence and a biased judge's summing up and because 10 people say he is guilty. We as honest trusting citizens are supposed to knuckle under and not question this "law" even if this law be considered "unjust" as many lawyers think it is. But because this "law" says it is so, many sheep will support this organisation that is riddled with corruption and deceit and trust its decisions ignorantly to the grave.

So can I propose that in view of the fact that we are supposed to say nothing against the relatives. For to do so is to be accused as hypocrites and liars and/or stupid, because we are "ignorant" people who do not understand the intricacies of tax avoidance amongst the farming community. That if this is to be so, then any abuse against Bamber cease as well. For no one in the world could be that bad as some say he is. The things levelled against him are bordering on the rediculous and quite frankly is becoming laughable and almost of comic book proportions.
Im sorry lugg this is the first time i do not agree with certain statements in your post? A lot of good posters have been driven off by being anti bamber and i do not have to repeat the language used, not many posters who believe jeremy guilty now post at all. This forum is prob 90 per cent pro bamber with moderators who do a good job by the way who are nearly always pro bamber so any nonsense is took care of straight away i feel.  If we drive the likes of vidvic or hartley or any anti bamber which has happened away you will have a forum that just pats each other on the back. Sometimes emotions take over lugg and i understand what you went through which was awful but do what i do and stop the bus sometimes and get off, as i am writting this i have just had a phone call about some horrible news on the holiday park i worked on in essex for ten years so i am signing off for now.

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Re: The abusive remarks towards Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2013, 01:15:PM »
The Eatons, Boutflours, Bambers, Pargeters. All seemingly honest, well respected in their communities, 7th Aug 1985, Bambers gone, wiped out, Jeremy Bamber survives.......

From that point on, there isn't one thing that the relatives did that I wouldn't have done myself, with the exception of taking the silencer out onto the table at Oak Farm. The number of lies and allegations from this point on are far too numerous to go into here and now. Propoganda is not strong enough a word to describe the endless accusations and theories, but in 27 years, 2 appeals, investigations, books, documentaries, forums, he's still where he is.

Establishment cover up? Absolute rubbish. Far more embarrassing cases have been overturned in the past 27 years.

From that point on, if I was truly innocent, I'd have acted very differently. The inconsistencies in his story and subsequent retelling of it are too many. His memory fails at times then regains clarity. As I said 2 years ago, he is either guilty, or the unluckiest man alive.

But my main point in answer to your post is this. I hear an accusation and I respond. If you say that the family 'stole' from Bamber then I will respond, because it isn't true. If you were to say to me that the family have been cute in avoiding paying bamber anything over the years for his shares, then I'd happily agree. It's the manner of it, not the subject.

Over the years the family have had to endure hundreds of accusations from Mike Tesko. He regularly finds a bit of paper, adds 2 and 2 and gets 76. As Bambers plight has got more serious he has started completely making things up. That is evil, nasty and utterly shameful. So please don't lecture me on poor old Bamber getting slagged off.

How many times have you been told, since you supported Bamber, this is it, this is the evidence, be out by Christmas, blah blah blah.??? He's had media support, TV documentaries, lawyers, etc etc....but it always falls short, often because what you are told as a supporter is not the reality. Take the Suthurst photographs for example. For years we hear about it, see interviews about it, Suthurst agrees with Bamber (not the other way around) CCRC say no you can't see the area from the crime scene photos, Suthurst says "yes, I agree" and another episode of false allegations against the relatives quietly goes away!

You have a very compelling prisoner, feeding highly questionable material, to his willing Elves, who show you just enough to make it believable but not enough to prove him wrong. And remember, as a family, they do not have the documentation to be able to back up defences to accusations. The Police have that and do not engage in chat rooms.
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Re: The abusive remarks towards Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2013, 01:19:PM »
  Quote by V V :- 'In a parallel Universe we find'...  the untranslatable latin looking saying, below the post, freely signifies, by double usage of the words Stulti (fool) and the non-latin word 'idiociae' that it speaks for itself.

Awww, Campion, how unbecoming to make cheap shots at my latin. Rumours are spread by fools and believed by idiots.....I thought you'd understand  ::)

If you spelt it correctly you might stand a chance?

For someone who refuses to speak to me, you seem to have a lot to say!
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Re: The abusive remarks towards Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2013, 01:28:PM »
Vic, Sutherst agreed that his evidence was basically a non starter? Blooming Norah! That was kept quiet!!
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Re: The abusive remarks towards Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2013, 01:33:PM »
Vic, Sutherst agreed that his evidence was basically a non starter? Blooming Norah! That was kept quiet!!

According to the Police liason officer, Suthurst never challenged the CCRC expert and accepted his/her findings. I'd already seen a letter from Bamber where he admitted to some of the scratches being there on the day of the crime scene photos, so all those diagrams from Mike and the accusations of the family scratching the arga surround after the event were rubbished.
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Re: The abusive remarks towards Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2013, 01:38:PM »
Vidvic,,,if the police had carried out a right and proper investigation from the start,and sealed everywhere off as is done with a crime scene,,then none of this would be happening. It's because of the sloppy investigative ways in which the police conducted the whole case,that brought the extended familiy/ies to the forefront,,and which cast a dark shadow on the case altogether.

I don't doubt that the extended families are upright and honest people,,but the gullibility in allowing words to be put into their mouths,along with thoughts into their heads,,by a group of police who call themselves professionals,is beyond me,and this is exactly what has happened.

The case itself was built on hearsay and supposition.What sort of a person of the law states that it was either one or the other,meaning Sheila or Jeremy.? What if Jeremy had died too.? Would that question still have stood.?

Wouldn't it have been more ethical to have proved Jeremys' innocence rather than his guilt.?

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Re: The abusive remarks towards Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2013, 01:39:PM »
According to the Police liason officer, Suthurst never challenged the CCRC expert and accepted his/her findings. I'd already seen a letter from Bamber where he admitted to some of the scratches being there on the day of the crime scene photos, so all those diagrams from Mike and the accusations of the family scratching the arga surround after the event were rubbished.

Sutherst was not necessarily wrong, but further work was required, including an examination of the Aga surround, in order to validate the key conclusions in his intitial report.

 

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Re: The abusive remarks towards Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2013, 01:43:PM »
Sutherst was not necessarily wrong, but further work was required, including an examination of the Aga surround, in order to validate the key conclusions in his intitial report.

A very good question Neil!

The family agreed to a full examination of the aga surround as they have absolutely nothing to hide and this wasn't taken up by the defence.
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Re: The abusive remarks towards Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2013, 01:44:PM »
It was one or the other because of that phonecall.

Vic, thats a very interesting development about Sutherst, i had no idea he agreed with the opposing expert.
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Re: The abusive remarks towards Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2013, 01:45:PM »
It was one or the other because of that phonecall.

Vic, thats a very interesting development about Sutherst, i had no idea he agreed with the opposing expert.

He agreed that further work needed to be done to validate the conclusions.

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Re: The abusive remarks towards Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2013, 01:48:PM »
He agreed that further work needed to be done to validate the conclusions.

Any idea why they never came to the farm?
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Re: The abusive remarks towards Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2013, 01:51:PM »
He agreed that further work needed to be done to validate the conclusions.

Is Sutherst still on the case NGB?
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Re: The abusive remarks towards Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2013, 02:12:PM »
A very good question Neil!

The family agreed to a full examination of the aga surround as they have absolutely nothing to hide and this wasn't taken up by the defence.
Again vidvic without your input we would not have heard about this? Thanks for all your time vidvic.