Bamber v Criminal Cases Review Commission

[Lugg]

Hi Susan, I think it is equal to say that his natural parents had a similar role.  They never knew Jeremy, sadly they didn't want him, yet the following year they married.  To me they washed their hands of him when he was born. 

How does one feel and deal with that rejection, I have no idea.  Jeremy must have been happy at the farm, it was only when he was sent away to school that he may have endured another feeling of abandonment, which is something that occurred to him all his life including his prison life.  How does anyone deal with that. Not one member of your family is there to support you.  I suppose because he was found guilty for murdering his family.....According to those that might think he is guilty. But, what if he is not guilty? 

Unfortunately his natural parents seem to prefer to appear "respectable" rather than go and even see their son. Despicable people in my eyes. No guts.

[lookout]

He has been convicted of killing their family, why would his relatives be there for him?

It still doesn't mean to say that he did it Andrea.? How many other MOJ's are there still pending.?

[lookout]

Unfortunately his natural parents seem to prefer to appear "respectable" rather than go and even see their son. Despicable people in my eyes. No guts.

I agree with you Lugg,,they are gutless and one-sided.

[Patti]

Unfortunately his natural parents seem to prefer to appear "respectable" rather than go and even see their son. Despicable people in my eyes. No guts.

They may even bi in fear of what people would think Lugg if they appeared to engage with Jeremy. Has far as they are concerned he doesn't exist and never did....so they wont feel anything at all for him, other than knowing in their own mind that he is naturally theirs.  It is their own conscience that they have to deal with, if they have any. 

[susan]

Hi Patti

I don't think Jeremy being sent away to school had a long lasting adverse affect on him.  He was a typical kid who thought he was all that and the worst thing that happened to him was meeting Julie as she was the strongest of the two and encouraged him but in saying that I don't think it would have taken too much to do that one was as bad as the other.

His birth parents who created him and should have accepted responsibility for him but did'ent because of the stigma attached failed their child not once but twice now I do think this family should have offered him some support when he was convicted he was their flesh and blood carrying their genes they must be cruel hard people just to turn their backs on him I can expect this more of a Father than a Mother who carried the child for 9 months this I will never beable to understand. Jeremy must feel deeply hurt at this rejection by his birth parents.  I wonder if his Mother ever feels like comforting him probably not.

[andrea]

It still doesn't mean to say that he did it Andrea.? How many other MOJ's are there still pending.?

Makes no difference if others think this is a MOJ, the family dont, so why should they support him.

[lookout]

Makes no difference if others think this is a MOJ, the family dont, so why should they support him.

Andrea,,I'm afraid I don't care what the family or others  think or say.Why should I.?

[Lugg]

They may even bi in fear of what people would think Lugg if they appeared to engage with Jeremy. Has far as they are concerned he doesn't exist and never did....so they wont feel anything at all for him, other than knowing in their own mind that he is naturally theirs.  It is their own conscience that they have to deal with, if they have any. 

This is the very time that he needs the support of his own family. All the others are family by name only and have nothing blood wise to connect them with him at all and they appear to glory in that fact. (Well at least they rescued the inheritance I suppose to stop it falling into greedy hands) But his REAL father and mother have a responsibilty of support towards him, even if he is guilty. Personally I could not reject any of my children and have not done so. Children need their parents support even more as they grow up and way into adulthood. Ask any parent that. These parents are neglecting their responsibilities towards someone who has been brought into this world because of their lack of control in the very beginning. These are people who are supposed to be our betters and show an example to us ordinary folk.

[andrea]

Andrea,,I'm afraid I don't care what the family or others  think or say.Why should I.?

I never said you should care, did i. Im sure the family wont give a hoot what you think either 

[Patti]

Hi Patti

I don't think Jeremy being sent away to school had a long lasting adverse affect on him.  He was a typical kid who thought he was all that and the worst thing that happened to him was meeting Julie as she was the strongest of the two and encouraged him but in saying that I don't think it would have taken too much to do that one was as bad as the other.

His birth parents who created him and should have accepted responsibility for him but did'ent because of the stigma attached failed their child not once but twice now I do think this family should have offered him some support when he was convicted he was their flesh and blood carrying their genes they must be cruel hard people just to turn their backs on him I can expect this more of a Father than a Mother who carried the child for 9 months this I will never beable to understand. Jeremy must feel deeply hurt at this rejection by his birth parents.  I wonder if his Mother ever feels like comforting him probably not.

It might be a case of what you have never had you wont miss....


I'm not sure about this, but I remember when I first joined the forum, reading that Jeremy's natural father had been in contact with him, but then washed his hands of him.....I think this was earlier on....How trues this is, I have no idea. 

When Jeremy went away to school, he was abused and called a bastard.  Going to school and having been subjected to this, placed him outside of his comfort zone of the life he had on the farm.  He might have seen this as being some sort of rejection....for he had gone from safety to being unsafe.  I am  guessing of course....its the way I tell em! lol 

[lookout]

This is the very time that he needs the support of his own family. All the others are family by name only and have nothing blood wise to connect them with him at all and they appear to glory in that fact. But his REAL father and mother have a responsibilty of support towards him, even if he is guilty. Personally I could not reject any of my children and have not done so. Children need their parents support even more as they grow up and way into adulthood. Ask any parent that. These parents are neglecting their responsibilities towards someone who has been brought into this world because of their lack of control in the very beginning. These are people who are supposed to be our betters and show an example to us ordinary folk.

Sorry,Lugg,,but I don't look upon people like that to be any better than us.

[Lugg]

Sorry,Lugg,,but I don't look upon people like that to be any better than us.

I'm looking at it from THEIR point of view. Not mine.

[lookout]

I never said you should care, did i. Im sure the family wont give a hoot what you think either 

Good.

[Patti]

This is the very time that he needs the support of his own family. All the others are family by name only and have nothing blood wise to connect them with him at all and they appear to glory in that fact. But his REAL father and mother have a responsibilty of support towards him, even if he is guilty. Personally I could not reject any of my children and have not done so. Children need their parents support even more as they grow up and way into adulthood. Ask any parent that. These parents are neglecting their responsibilities towards someone who has been brought into this world because of their lack of control in the very beginning. These are people who are supposed to be our betters and show an example to us ordinary folk.

it is Lugg, but not everyone is made up of the same makeup.  I couldn't reject my child either. God knows how I would react if one of them killed someone.  I have often thought, that at first I would go crazy, but I would offer my support to them thick or thin in the end.  Parents should never feel guilty for that, they are not the ones on trial or guilty of a crime....But, sadly they have to live in the community where people can point the finger and, act so cruel...

[lookout]

it is Lugg, but not everyone is made up of the same makeup.  I couldn't reject my child either. God knows how I would react if one of them killed someone.  I have often thought, that at first I would go crazy, but I would offer my support to them thick or thin in the end.  Parents should never feel guilty for that, they are not the ones on trial or guilty of a crime....But, sadly they have to live in the community where people can point the finger and, act so cruel...

I would never turn my back on any of my family either,,regardless.