Bamber v Criminal Cases Review Commission

[andrea]

Still, he is convicted of murdering their family, we cant expect them to support him regardless of our views on the case.

[Lugg]

Still, he is convicted of murdering their family, we cant expect them to support him regardless of our views on the case.

Andrea. This was practically within one week that they accused him of the murders. In fact Ann Eaton's words concerning him suggests that she suspected him from the very beginning. Not a very loving or close family I think you would agree?

[andrea]

Lookout made the point that the family should be with him every step of the way, I say not. They believe him GUILTY. Regardless of our views on the case or what happened 27 years ago, it doesnt take away the fact that he was convicted of murdering their family, therefore why would they support him now.

[Lugg]

Lookout made the point that the family should be with him every step of the way, I say not. They believe him GUILTY. Regardless of our views on the case or what happened 27 years ago, it doesnt take away the fact that he was convicted of murdering their family, therefore why would they support him now.

Andrea I just wondering if you are actually reading my posts? The fact that they were against him from the "very beginning" was the lever that got him convicted. Even before they "alledgedly" found the silencer. What they think now is superfluous.

[andrea]

Andrea I just wondering if you are actually reading my posts? The fact that they were against him from the "very beginning" was the lever that got him convicted. Even before they "alledgedly" found the silencer. What they think now is superfluous.

I was actually responding to a post lookout made Lugg, not you. You obviously arent reading mine.

Its simple really, lookout said they should support him i say not, nothing difficult about it.

[Roch]

Lookout made the point that the family should be with him every step of the way, I say not. They believe him GUILTY. Regardless of our views on the case or what happened 27 years ago, it doesnt take away the fact that he was convicted of murdering their family, therefore why would they support him now.

They are not interested in any facts that do not point towards him.  They have taken up an immovable position and they are linked to truly awful exhibit.  They are not willing to consider whether they could have been deceived by police regarding the situation on the morning of the incident.  Or, they are willing to consider but will never admit so.

If I say that I only want to know about or believe in facts that back up my own opinions, how likely is it that I am effectively not interested in the actual truth?  I am not interested in any truth that runs contrary to what I want the truth to be. 

[andrea]

They are not interested in any facts that do not point towards him.  They have taken up an immovable position and they are linked to truly awful exhibit.  They are not willing to consider whether they could have been deceived by police regarding the situation on the morning of the incident.  Or, they are willing to consider but will never admit so.

If I say that I only want to know about or believe in facts that back up my own opinions, how likely is it that I am effectively not interested in the actual truth?  I am not interested in any truth that runs contrary to what I want the truth to be.

Try putting yourself in their shoes, Roch.

[Roch]

Try putting yourself in their shoes, Roch.

I only know my self Andrea.  And what I personally believe to be 'doing the right thing'.  In my heart of hearts, I feel that I would want to know the truth, whether or not it fitted or suited my position.

We are all different.

[andrea]

I only know my self Andrea.  And what I personally believe to be 'doing the right thing'.  In my heart of hearts, I feel that I would want to know the truth, whether or not it fitted or suited my position.

We are all different.

We are all different, yes.

But getting back to the post that lookout made, which is all i commented on, the family believe him guilty so why should they support him now.

[Patti]

I don't think the family had any inclination of ever supporting Jeremy, they had and still have no reason too. They are not related to him, therefore there wont be any feelings towards him, because he in not a blood relative...Blood runs thicker that water and all that.

I can see it from their perspective though. The family had lost 5 members of their family, this must have been an awful shock to them, devastating in fact.  They could not except that Sheila could have picked up a rifle, filled a magazine with bullets and shot her family, neither could they except at the time that Sheila was a paranoid schizophrenic. They knew she had been ill, but Ae said she thought she had had a break down. They were not aware of the full nature of her episodes either,  that she was having in London.  Over the past couple of years the family saw less of Sheila, although Sheila did write a letter to AE in 1985.  Oh and, they got to see her in Easter 1985 for a few hours. I don't blame the family for not supporting Jeremy....for they could never believe that it was possible for Sheila to have committed the crime.  So they went down an alternative avenue and blamed the self centered Jeremy who was about to inherit the said families land.  Its as simple as that....

[andrea]

Yes, there will be a fresh application to the CCRC.  Simon Mckay remains committed to the case.

Can they apply when they like, or is there a certain length of time they have to wait to apply?

[susan]

Hi Patti I would never expect the family to offer Jeremy any support at all they as you said were not blood relatives and got the feeling they did not like Jeremy who has been reported as being arrogant little pup.

I wonder why the family as you stated Patti could never have believed that Sheila had committed the murders so had to go down the route that Jeremy did it.  As far as I am aware the family were not close to either of the adopted Bamber children and probably had little to do with them and would not know either of them very well.

I think what lookout meant was if she was a member of Jeremy's family she would be with him all the way,

[andrea]

Can they apply when they like, or is there a certain length of time they have to wait to apply?

NGB? In case you missed it!!

[Lugg]

I was actually responding to a post lookout made Lugg, not you. You obviously arent reading mine.

Its simple really, lookout said they should support him i say not, nothing difficult about it.

No need to be nasty Andrea. You actually spoke of lookout in the third person, thus opening your comment to all. The question is not whether they support him now. But right at the begining. That is evident from Ann Eaton's comment that she made. "Why is Jeremy still alive" That very comment governed everything else that was to follow and actually revealed what they thought of Jeremy before the police were ever interested in him.

[Patti]

Hi Patti I would never expect the family to offer Jeremy any support at all they as you said were not blood relatives and got the feeling they did not like Jeremy who has been reported as being arrogant little pup.

I wonder why the family as you stated Patti could never have believed that Sheila had committed the murders so had to go down the route that Jeremy did it.  As far as I am aware the family were not close to either of the adopted Bamber children and probably had little to do with them and would not know either of them very well.

I think what lookout meant was if she was a member of Jeremy's family she would be with him all the way,

Hi Susan, I think it is equal to say that his natural parents had a similar role.  They never knew Jeremy, sadly they didn't want him, yet the following year they married.  To me they washed their hands of him when he was born. 

How does one feel and deal with that rejection, I have no idea.  Jeremy must have been happy at the farm, it was only when he was sent away to school that he may have endured another feeling of abandonment, which is something that occurred to him all his life including his prison life.  How does anyone deal with that. Not one member of your family is there to support you.  I suppose because he was found guilty for murdering his family.....According to those that might think he is guilty. But, what if he is not guilty?