Lack of ammunition-handling evidence on Sheila's hands

[mike tesko]

Continuing on with this theme, police also took Sheila's fingerprints, and these would include a possible transfer of lead deposits when the fingerprints were taken? So they used similar bullets to carry out these tests and relied on the results obtained. When all along there were the original bullets, the original batch of bullets, the original ammunition magazine upon which was photographed Sheila's bloodied hand, and the fingerprint forms which were all in existence and available, yet ignored for one reason or another...

And now time to throw a spanner into the works...

These fingerprints that DC Hammersley took from Sheila's hands and what per chance was the exhibit reference relating to the taking of these fingerprints

Now...
Thrre's a funny thing?

[Bridget]

Continuing on with this theme, police also took Sheila's fingerprints, and these would include a possible transfer of lead deposits when the fingerprints were taken? So they used similar bullets to carry out these tests and relied on the results obtained. When all along there were the original bullets, the original batch of bullets, the original ammunition magazine upon which was photographed Sheila's bloodied hand, and the fingerprint forms which were all in existence and available, yet ignored for one reason or another...

They were hardly likely to take the fingerprints before the swabs were they...

[Patti]

DC Hammersley also placed plastic bags on Sheila's hands, yet for some reason these were not tested for presence or otherwise of lead deposit?

Mike you must have been reading my mind.  My thoughts exactly. Why, were the bags not tested?

This is really bugging me about no GSR on Sheila's hands, because she had her hand on that gun which must have been covered in GSR, there is absolutely no way her hands could have not had GSR on them...

 

[mike tesko]

They were hardly likely to take the fingerprints before the swabs were they...

Pay attention...

Hand swabs (DRH/33 - DRH/44) were takeken when?

11am...

2.30pm...

3.15pm...


You choose the time and place - there exists police documentation to back up and support whichever time and place of your choosing?

[Bridget]

Pay attention...

Hand swabs (DRH/33 - DRH/4) were takeken when?

11am...

2.30pm...

3.15pm...


You choose the time and place - there exists police documentation to back up and support whichever time and place of your choosing?

3.15pm

[bloggs and son]

They were hardly likely to take the fingerprints before the swabs were they...

No, that's what I was thinking?

[bloggs and son]

3.15pm

So what time were the fingerprints taken?

[mike tesko]

3.15pm

So...

How come police records also show that the self same hand swabs were actually taken at the scene at 11am, and later at the mortuary at 2,30pm? How many sets of hand swabs did the police take, one lot (11am), two lots (2.30pm) or three lots ( 3.15pm)? How many different exhibit references did these swabs have, one (DRH/33), or two (DRH/44), or some other as yet unidentified additional exhibit referenve ,(3.15pm)?

Why does all this contradictory evidence exist surrounding these hand swabs?

[Patti]

So what time were the fingerprints taken?

Hi Grahame, that is what I would like to know... :D

[Bridget]

So...

How come police records also show that the self same hand swabs were actually taken at the scene at 11am, and later at the mortuary at 2,30pm? How many sets of hand swabs did the police take, one lot (11am), two lots (2.30pm) or three lots ( 3.15pm)? How many different exhibit references did these swabs have, one (DRH/33), or two (DRH/44), or some other as yet unidentified additional exhibit referenve ,(3.15pm)?

Why does all this contradictory evidence exist surrounding these hand swabs?

I don't know where you get the 2.30 timing from.

One set of swabs was taken. They were submitted to the lab as DRH/33, rejected and the later resubmitted as DRH/44. The date of collection on the form for the resubmission was correct but the time had been recorded incorrectly, hence your 11am theory.

[Patti]

Can anyone identify the bullets used in the murders please. 

[guest154]

Can anyone identify the bullets used in the murders please. 

I gave up on this a long time ago, Patti. I asked and was directed to so many different statements and articles that I just accepted I wouldn't ever see an arguement that I would fully beleive and be able to quote from.

[Bridget]

Can anyone identify the bullets used in the murders please. 

If you mean the type, Eley subsonic .22lr.

[mike tesko]

I don't know where you get the 2.30 timing from.

One set of swabs was taken. They were submitted to the lab as DRH/33, rejected and the later resubmitted as DRH/44. The date of collection on the form for the resubmission was correct but the time had been recorded incorrectly, hence your 11am theory.

Time hand swabs were taken at 2.30pm is taken from a police document which states they were taken at that time...

Hand swabs should not have had their exhibit reference changed from DRH/33 to DRH/44, nor had its lab' item reference number altered from 17 to 75 - this suggests that some sort of deception has been pulled off. Furthermore, a bible had the exhibit references DRH/33 and DRH/44, so what the hell has been going on here? How can the hand swabs be DRH/33 and the bible be DRH/33? How can the hand swabs be DRH/44 and the bible be DRH/44?

So...

Seems like Essex police were disguising exhibits by giving them exhibit references which belonged to other exhibits? This is totally unacceptable, and very misleading because the police have clearly set out to try to pull the wool over everyone's eyes regarding the hand swabs and the bible...

Amidst all this confusion, DC Hammersley took the fingermarks of Sheila Caffell, but failed to give them an exhibit reference. If you do not give the fingerprint forms an exhibit reference it becomes impossible to trace and locate them, so that they can be examined for the presence of lead deposit mingled in with the ink and blood on the hands...

[Patti]

If you mean the type, Eley subsonic .22lr.

Thank you Bridget...