Example of how Relatives Names are Blackened.

[lookout]

Does that include looking at one's watch at a funeral and declaring "Time's up!". Does it include pinching the waitresses' bottoms at a restaurant where champagne is ordered,does it include not letting one of the relatives inside the hearse leaving her standing outside in pouring rain because "she can go in the other car",does it include ripping up the twins' photograph at the Maida Vale flat,disposing of all Sheila's portfolio except one topless photo which he tried to flog to the Sun newspaper,along with another photograph showing Sheila wielding a gun as a prop,which he considered might have been useful to him?

I could go on about avoiding Auntie Pam and not sorting out his mother's things,as well as the tissue of lies Jeremy spreaded to anyone who deigned to listen to him..

Steve,,the emotions of shock know no bounds. I can go back to when my mother died and my brother kept looking at his watch throughout the service and ceremony then remarked to me that " it went on a bit,didn't it ?"  His idea was to get it over and done with and leave it all behind. Not that he wasn't sorrowful,but that he didn't want to be reminded at mum dying. My brother is hopeless when it comes to illness and dying,as a lot of people are,and their way of dealing with it,is to " pretend " it didn't happen,and to carry on where they left off,while trying to ignore the situation in reality.

[Lugg]

He never spelled out that he did the murders,but Julie twigged that he must have been responsible. Of course he acted autonomously.

In other words she just "guessed" he'd murdered them all. I always thought she was a sandwich short of a picnic.

[maggie]

Also Steve/lookout if Jeremy wa full of valium prescribed by the doctor adn cannabis prescribed by him who knows what land he was floating in by then.  It was hardly what you'd call a 'normal' funeral for him...if you see what  mean.  Valium alone in a heavy dose makes you hallucinate.

[Steve_uk]

In other words she just "guessed" he'd murdered them all. I always thought she was a sandwich short of a picnic.

No she was a former pupil of Altrincham Grammar School for Girls,one of the best schools in the country,thanks.

[Caroline R]

He never spelled out that he did the murders,but Julie twigged that he must have been responsible. Of course he acted autonomously.

You see M's Mugford never tells the same story twice. She told the NOTW that he NEVER admitted to her that he was was actually responsible but she told Colin that her told her which window he left by. Which is it? Does she even know?

[Steve_uk]

Also Steve/lookout if Jeremy wa full of valium prescribed by the doctor adn cannabis prescribed by him who knows what land he was floating in by then.  It was hardly what you'd call a 'normal' funeral for him...if you see what  mean.  Valium alone in a heavy dose makes you hallucinate.

I think we're getting closer to the truth with the hallucinations reference,though it's my assertion that it was Jeremy who was high on drugs whilst shooting his victims and not Sheila's hallucinations as a symptom of mental illness.

[Lugg]

No she was a former pupil of Altrincham Grammar School for Girls,one of the best schools in the country,thanks.

Wow! Bet she was a challenge to them? But that's no proof of intelligence. Boris Johnson went to Eton.

[Jane]

As a bereavement counsellor I can assure you that numbness following bereavement is par for the course as are other seemingly inappropriate behaviours. This is why it is not thought to be advisable to counsel anybody until after the first anniversary is passed.

I suspect that many have cause to look back on behaviour alien to them and feel disbelief/ ashamed that they could act in such a way. You would be amazed at what comes out of the woodwork at such times. Families CAN be torn apart forever. If jeremy felt his family's hostility I feel he would have covered it with artificial joviality as a way of telling them he didn't need them. The knowledge that he had NOBODY in the world to whom he belonged must have been a very lonely place.

Steve,,the emotions of shock know no bounds. I can go back to when my mother died and my brother kept looking at his watch throughout the service and ceremony then remarked to me that " it went on a bit,didn't it ?"  His idea was to get it over and done with and leave it all behind. Not that he wasn't sorrowful,but that he didn't want to be reminded at mum dying. My brother is hopeless when it comes to illness and dying,as a lot of people are,and their way of dealing with it,is to " pretend " it didn't happen,and to carry on where they left off,while trying to ignore the situation in reality.

Lookout, Hi. You know, I truly don't believe Steve has any interest AT ALL in any of the above. I don't believe he wants any proof OTHER than that of Jeremy being guilty.

None of the above is conjecture or speculation. None of it has been embellished or tweaked for effect but I wouldn't mind betting that as far as Steve is concerned NONE of it applies to Jeremy.

[mertol22]

There seems to me a effort by VV to speak up for the relatives, this i find strange given the verdict of the trial, what is there to defend them from, a forum is simply a portal for debate, there is nothing lasting for them to be concerned about as jeremy is jailed for life, its quite possible that there is missing pieces of this case awaiting encounter, if there is one single issue that maintains my view is JM recieving that payout , nothing can excuse that.

[maggie]

I think we're getting closer to the truth with the hallucinations reference,though it's my assertion that it was Jeremy who was high on drugs whilst shooting his victims and not Sheila's hallucinations as a symptom of mental illness.

Steve you are twisting my words totally and you know what I have said about Jeremy's eyes a million times but you just disregard it and quote a woman who has NO idea of the effect of drugs on someone's eyes, except she probably read it in the Daily Mail.  I am curious what drugs you surmise Jeremy was on because if it was cannabis he would be more likey to have dropped asleep in a corner of the kitchen.  Ordinary cannabis removes any aggression you may have and relaxes you down.  If he was stuffed full of goodness knows what and high as a kite how on earth did he control himself in front of the police.  That theory holds no water whatsever Steve.

[Jane]

I think we're getting closer to the truth with the hallucinations reference,though it's my assertion that it was Jeremy who was high on drugs whilst shooting his victims and not Sheila's hallucinations as a symptom of mental illness.

OK Steve, let's run with that for a moment, shall we. He pumps himself full enough of chemicals to bounce across fields wearing a wetsuit to commit murder most foul, but is with it enough to get rid of evidence after the deed is done, get himself into the shower, bounce his way back across the fields and seawall, soaked to the skin because the wetsuit has absorbed water from the shower, catch his breath and come down from his carefully timed  "high" in order not to speak gobbledygook to the police. Somehow, I don't think so, Steve.

[maggie]

OK Steve, let's run with that for a moment, shall we. He pumps himself full enough of chemicals to bounce across fields wearing a wetsuit to commit murder most foul, but is with it enough to get rid of evidence after the deed is done, get himself into the shower, bounce his way back across the fields and seawall, soaked to the skin because the wetsuit has absorbed water from the shower, catch his breath and come down from his carefully timed  "high" in order not to speak gobbledygook to the police. Somehow, I don't think so, Steve.

April, maybe Jeremy has some secret downer that renders you totally cool immediately you need to be.   

[Steve_uk]

You see M's Mugford never tells the same story twice. She told the NOTW that he NEVER admitted to her that he was was actually responsible but she told Colin that her told her which window he left by. Which is it? Does she even know?

He never confessed to Julie,though he told her she held his life in her hands. It must have been a very emotional time for Julie as her inner turmoil wrestled with her civic duty to turn this criminal in, whom she had loved so passionately for a period of almost two years.

[Jane]

April, maybe Jeremy has some secret downer that renders you totally cool immediately you need to be.   

We could all do with some of that Maggie, for when Steve is at his most exasperating

[maggie]

We could all do with some of that Maggie, for when Steve is at his most exasperating

  ...think Caroline maybe could do with some at the moment April.