Rifle noise

[Patti]

Had Sheila ever physically harmed anyone other than herself ? ( I dont mean frightening anyone such as Freddie..or the child falling from the taxi) I never read anything like that...

Hi Boheme

I was talking to a nurse who worked with Schizophrenia's and I asked her if anyone suffering from that could kill with a rifle.  The answer I got was yes....Because under her delusion, she was doing no wrong, she was not harming anybody, the rifle was the bad guy.......It is hard to understand but, how she put it across it made me think. 

[boheme]

Hi Boheme

I was talking to a nurse who worked with Schizophrenia's and I asked her if anyone suffering from that could kill with a rifle.  The answer I got was yes....Because under her delusion, she was doing no wrong, she was not harming anybody, the rifle was the bad guy.......It is hard to understand but, how she put it across it made me think. 

Yes, yes, yes, I am sure it is theoretically possible, my question is did Sheila ever physically harm anyone !!

[Jane]

Had Sheila ever physically harmed anyone other than herself ? ( I dont mean frightening anyone such as Freddie..or the child falling from the taxi) I never read anything like that...

It's not something that I've heard of, but there are others here more knowledgable than I, however I would like to say that just because it has not been heard of doesn't mean it never happened. I feel we may have the impression that the facts (and fictions!!!) surrounding the murders make up the sum total of the Bamber lives, but they are soundbites taken from a much larger picture. We have no way of knowing how far June and Neville went to keep to themselves knowledge of the extent of Sheila's illness and judging by the letter Sheila sent to Ann from St Andrews Hospital, in which she says she is only there because of general stress, she too, may have been encouraged to stay silent about the real nature of her illness. Whilst I believe it isn't IMpossible that Sheila, on occasions attacked one or other of her parents, I'm totally convinced they would have kept it to themselves.

[Patti]

Yes, yes, yes, I am sure it is theoretically possible, my question is did Sheila ever physically harm anyone !!

I don't know. I do know the social services were involved due to marks on one of the twins legs, which is documented.  I have not read anything that said, she was violent to people around her; only reports that she frightened them.  I suppose she hurt herself mainly,  by thumping the wall and putting her hand through the window.   

[Patti]

And another document. 

[boheme]

I don't know. I do know the social services were involved due to marks on one of the twins legs, which is documented.  I have not read anything that said, she was violent to people around her; only reports that she frightened them.  I suppose she hurt herself mainly,  by thumping the wall and putting her hand through the window.   

Many thanks for the post...

[buddy]

I would have thought that if Jeremy bought a gun intending to kill people and not vermin that he would under pretence have bought another kind of weapon a bit larger that a .22, which from what others have said on the forum  was just a bit more powerful than an air gun? One hell of a chance to take if he was intending to kill 5 people? There would be good chances that he would not have been successful in his plan. Also it is clearly evident that he had never shewn any violence to anyone before that date and from people I know testify that he was a bit of a whimp and found it difficult to kill even a small animal. In fact what these people I know said about him completely contradicts the evidence of Julie Mugford.

Two points here Lugg. The .22 is very much more powerful than an airgun. In fact it has been used as a sniping weapon. A .22 has probably got 3 times the range of an airgun.Believe me that one shot from a .22 is capable of killing a person with one shot. I am sure NGB will be able to confirm that statement.
With this in mind it was the weapon of choice.
Had the killer used a double barrelled shotgun he would have needed to reload more than once, and have a pocketful of ammo.
Jeremy can not have been the wimp that is suggested, as he was about to kill some rabbits that he had seen, so that rules that out.
Apparently Ralph had lost interest with shooting, so I wonder why he bought the .22 in the first place complete with a moderater, after all he was happy with the boom of a twelve bore. most farmers use this weapon because even if they miss the sound sends rabbits scurrying, and you will not see another rabbit for 30 minutes at least.
Can I be clear that I am a Bamber supporter, but will not agree to misinformation.

[Roch]

Buddy's just gave Lugg a thick ear  :D

[buddy]

In a nice way Dave. I welcome theories, and Lugg has my admiration. I am only trying to be honest.
I know a little about weapons, so can give a measured response.
Keep on Lugg I honestly like you.

[Roch]

In a nice way Dave. I welcome theories, and Lugg has my admiration. I am only trying to be honest.
I know a little about weapons, so can give a measured response.
Keep on Lugg I honestly like you.

Yeah I was just kidding Buddy.  It's interesting reading from both of you.

[buddy]

Yeah I was just kidding Buddy.  It's interesting reading from both of you.

I know you was Dave.
Hope Lugg is as forgiving as you. No offence intended in my post. In fact I love the interaction.
It is nice to remain on topic for once.
Lugg I love you

[Caroline R]

I don't know. I do know the social services were involved due to marks on one of the twins legs, which is documented.  I have not read anything that said, she was violent to people around her; only reports that she frightened them.  I suppose she hurt herself mainly,  by thumping the wall and putting her hand through the window.   

Very interesting Patti!! - I'm sure Steve will have something to say in this regard

[Steve_uk]

Although I do agree that Bamber was reckless, especially with children in the house. But the query was that Bamber showed not history or inclination to violence. Sheila had.

I'm with boheme on this issue. I would add that Jeremy had lived with Suzette Ford and her children for a couple of years and would realize the danger a loaded rifle would pose. Maybe Mike could go back to Pages Lane of an evening and check for the presence of rabbits,as again we only have Jeremy's word for it that they were there.

[susan]

steve-uk  I would suggest to you that during the summer months it would be most unusual not to find rabbits on a farm.  I am not suggesting Jeremy heard them as they are usually not heard just seen.

[maggie]

Yes, yes, yes, I am sure it is theoretically possible, my question is did Sheila ever physically harm anyone !!

We really don't know the answer to that boheme, just because it wasn't reported we don't know what went on within the family on other occasions tho' I would imagine there was never an issue with guns as Ralph would surely have had them locked away after such an episode.
However, Sheila was a psychotic and Jeremy was not, neither of them would have been violent to others until they were....if you see what I mean?  Theoretically, Sheila would be more likely to harm someone, when psychotic. imo