whos decided?

[Sparkfilms]

I think the only way Shelia could have been shot in this way is if she was asleep and the first victim.

How could anyone plan for that?

It seems like a very slim chance to me.

This still puts Shelia as the most likely shooter in my book.

[simong]

I've never really been able to understand how anyone could plan a murder to look like a suicide and get those two shots into Shelia.

As I hinted at a few weeks ago on another thread, a top hit man hired by the Mafia would be unlikely to pull this off.

A third option with McDonald involved always seemed a possibility. A remote one though.

I still think Sheila was woken at gunpoint and taken into the main bedroom, forced to kneel or sit on the floor on Nevills side of the bed. Nevill and June wake up or are woken up, sit up and find someone standing there with a gun to their daughters throat. A little bit of talking and then 'bang', Sheila is shot in the throat, the Nevill and June are shot at. You would surely want all three adults together if you were planning to kill them all, wouldn't you? You would not want them running all over the house or possibly hearing you fighting and shooting Nevill in the kitchen and then ringing the police or trying to escape. That's how it seems to me anyway.

[mb1]

What if she was pulled out of the bed (disorientated, semi-asleep - perhaps already shot once?) onto the floor, and shot?

[simong]

equally plausible mb1

[Sparkfilms]

Wasn't it stated that Shelia's bed had not been slept in?

Otherwise I do follow what Simong is saying.

[andrea]

i had heard sheilas bed had not been slept in that night, dont know if thats just speculation or fact.

[joolz1975]

Im always swayed to JB doing it but then the fact that police thought they saw someone move in house and that report that police were having a conversation with someone in house.

To me it was two killers don't see how one person could shoot 5 people without there been more evidence! They would have known 3 adults in the property and the shooter could have been overpowered.

One person to control the adults another shot the children I think. But then same gun was used so again I'm prob wrong!

Surely someone on this forum has unknowingly suggested near to the truth? Too many people with different ideas for someone not to be close to the answer!

My other theory is plain old burglary! Not unknown in larger houses in country. Nobody knows for sure that no items were stolen.

[mb1]

I meant Sheila was dragged from her parents' bed, Neville's side.

Have Sheila as third victim - at least, third to be shot, if only with 1st shot... if someone else did it.

[Hartley]

What if she was pulled out of the bed (disorientated, semi-asleep - perhaps already shot once?) onto the floor, and shot?

Not sure if it means anything but where Sheila was found on the floor, she was right next to a door which leads (via another room) into the twins bedroom.

[bb2010]

My issue with the 3rd party/ someone else involved on the night theory is this:

Jeremy said that Ralph phoned him and told him Sheila had got the gun and was going beserk. That was sometime after 3am. For a third party to have been involved, that person would have had get in the house, not be seen by Ralph at anytime up to the alleged phone call to Jeremy, and at least get the gun off Sheila and then play an as yet unknown part in the killings. And then get out of the house again unseen.

The phone call that Jeremy tells us his father made, specifically excludes the possibility of a third party and specifically includes Sheila as the likely shooter.

[joolz1975]

What if there was no phone call?? there's no actual proof that Neville rang Jeremy that night.

I'm thinking increasingly likely JB and a 3rd party did it. He had a brilliant cover story his mentally Ill sister had been spoken to that night about her children (  believe this as Junes sister rang to check how Sheila was) surely if JB ever needed the perfect opportunity to carry out the killings it was on that night.

Still don't see how she could have shot herself twice in throat either.

The sticking point for me is no matter how many times he can provide proof that the police investigation was shoddy none of the evidence he's providing proves beyond a doubt that he didn't do it (appeal courts thought this two) although I concede there's not much evidence to prove he did do it either!

I'm convinced 3rd party hired by JB, alibis are easy to buy if you know the right people!

Not convinced he pulled trigger himself but think it highly likely he knows more than he's saying.
 

[bb2010]

Good post.

Although, Jeremy could have bought an alibi too couldn't he?

[joolz1975]

Maybe he thought he wouldn't need one.

Everything was pointing towards his sister until the silencer was found and his ex made her statement.

Scariest thing for me is it's possible that a child killer is still walking the streets.

The other thing I don't buy is the fact that he states he left the farm house around 10 that night confirmed by a neighbour who heard the car leave but never actually saw him in it. Anyone could have been driving that car while he stayed in the house and possibly let someone else in when everyone was asleep.

[Hartley]

I'm convinced 3rd party hired by JB, alibis are easy to buy if you know the right people!

Not convinced he pulled trigger himself but think it highly likely he knows more than he's saying.

It's a theory.

It could explain why neither Sheila or JB had and injuries that suggested they could have been involved in a struggle, yet Nevill appeared to have gone twelve rounds with Mike Tyson. Also why Sheila had no blood on her feet and no evidence of having handled ammunition.

I still can't help but think that if a third person was involved along with JB, then JB would try to pin it on them and would not have kept up his insistence that it was Sheila.

[joolz1975]

Maybe at first he didn't admit any part as he was afraid he would lose his inheritance? Then once he was convicted After saying he had no involvement to admit a 3rd party was involved he would lose any credibility and probably would have to serve life anyway.

His best chance of freedom is to protest innocence knowing that there nothing conclusive to prove he did or didn't do it.