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andrea

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whos decided?
« on: February 20, 2011, 11:25:PM »
has anyone come to their own definate conclusions as to what happened at whf ?

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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2011, 11:30:PM »
Me I think the killings of the boys were too clinical for their mum to have done it! But the shooting of Nevile too sloppy to have been an execution style shooting!

Personally I think Jeremy and Sheila were both involved but to what extent I don't know!
Did he manipulate his mentally Ill sister into murdering her family or was he there also!
Im on the fence!

andrea

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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2011, 11:37:PM »
im thinking sheila did it, i think she would have been capable.jeremy said there was discussion about the twins as he was leaving whf.others think this is a lie because sheila appeared calm and didnt say much. people with psychosis dont always rant and rave, that fact that she appeared calm and just stared  into space doesnt suprise me one bit.

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2011, 11:51:PM »
I think mentally she was capable of it she was obviously a very ill woman.

Physically probably I'm only 5ft 3 but if I was raging I could floor my 6ft husband!

The killings just seem so different though! The boys so clinical the dad more frenzied!

I think if Sheila did it then JB was guilty of leaving a loaded weapon around and also showing her how to reload it (as someone has stated) was he guilty of anymore than that? Who knows!!

One things for sure if he hadn't been found guilty he would have been set for life and was already spending his parents cash and selling photos of his dead sister! Not the acts of an heartbroken man in my books.

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2011, 11:55:PM »
i agree 100% with you about the pictures.

the twins were in bed sleeping at the time they were shot, so it was just a case of pointing the gun and pulling the trigger, had they been awake things would have been different obviously, so it wouldnt have appeared so clinical.

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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2011, 11:59:PM »
i agree 100% with you about the pictures.

the twins were in bed sleeping at the time they were shot, so it was just a case of pointing the gun and pulling the trigger, had they been awake things would have been different obviously, so it wouldnt have appeared so clinical.

trouble is, my friends today say that's not the case. The shots to the boys are actually skilled. Uggh!

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2011, 12:03:AM »
i agree 100% with you about the pictures.

the twins were in bed sleeping at the time they were shot, so it was just a case of pointing the gun and pulling the trigger, had they been awake things would have been different obviously, so it wouldnt have appeared so clinical.

trouble is, my friends today say that's not the case. The shots to the boys are actually skilled. Uggh!


i thought the shots to the twins were fired in close proximity? or point blank range?

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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2011, 09:25:AM »
i agree 100% with you about the pictures.

the twins were in bed sleeping at the time they were shot, so it was just a case of pointing the gun and pulling the trigger, had they been awake things would have been different obviously, so it wouldnt have appeared so clinical.

trouble is, my friends today say that's not the case. The shots to the boys are actually skilled. Uggh!


i thought the shots to the twins were fired in close proximity? or point blank range?

I haven't fired a rifle since I was teenager - it was a rifle 22 and it wasn't a semi-automatic, that's all I know, but I have a vague recollection of a backwards force of the rifle butt into my shoulder each time I fired.  I think the person who shot the twins would have had to take aim each time, because of the movement of the gun.  I find the multiple shots a bit bizarre whoever did it.

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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2011, 10:25:AM »
So far, I've only seen things that one poster has brought to the forum, as we have seen, many of those things have raised many good questions as to their soundness as evidence or otherwise. If, as mere forum readers, we're not convinced then that is a key issue. Most of the rest of the information has simply been speculation and opinion. On that basis, I don't have to make a decision, I can just read what is offered.




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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2011, 10:53:AM »
has anyone come to their own definate conclusions as to what happened at whf ?

I have my opinion about whether he's guilty or not.

But as far as definite conclusions, the only one I've come to is that he should never be released unless there is evidence to justify it, I'd hate for a guilty man to be released on a technicality.

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2011, 11:05:AM »
6. Unusually in a case of this kind, it was accepted at trial that there were only two possible explanations for the dreadful events of that night. The first, as alleged by the prosecution was that the appellant had killed all five members of his family, shooting them with a .22 rifle with the probable motive of inheriting the whole of the family estate. The second, the defence case, was that Sheila Caffell, who had a history of mental illness, had murdered her parents and her two sons with the rifle, and had then turned the gun upon herself in an act of suicide. The view realistically accepted by all at trial was that the facts that were common ground enabled any other possibility to be ruled out.


Following on from the valid point you make Hartley is that i could argue convincely that both Jeremy and Sheila did not commit these murders. Lets hope that a third person was not involved otherwise a killer and more pertinently a child killer has been walking the streets for nearly 26 years.

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2011, 11:24:AM »
I'd hate for a guilty man to be released on a technicality.


+1

Yes that's my concern and I think all this flakey evidence of cover ups and framing just lead me to think this is the angle the defence are going for..

My opinion is still very much undecided.... Certain aspects fit with Sheila, certain aspects fit with Jeremy.

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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2011, 01:17:PM »
I still believe Sheila carried out the murders because that's what the police believed in the beginning.  They had to believe that it was physically possible or they would have acted differently at the time.  What followed was the absolute venom and character assassination of jb  by the family and ex girlfriend and during this time so much evidence not making sense and the non disclosure  of lots of information particulary the missing photographs  and recordings from the night.   I have always found Junes sisters behaviour very strange because if you had just lost your sisters in such tragic circumstances I don't believe you would act the way she did.  I feel jeremys behaviour after losing his family was stupid but this never seemed like a normal family. I would go along with the original police version of what happened and I have not seen anything on here that would definately make me change my mind or I would be saying keep jb in prison for the rest of his life

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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2011, 03:23:PM »
Well, I think it could be,

1) Sheila alone
2) Jeremy alone
3) Jeremy with an accomplice at whf
4) Jeremy at home with knowledge of accomplice at whf

This case is so baffling  :o , with argument and counter argument being the common thread.

I would like to see a retrial and all the case material disclosed.

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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2011, 03:59:PM »
I was talking about the case with my Mrs and she was amazed that she (sheila) would consciously let someone shoot her under the chin... which one would suggest happened if Sheila wasn't the shooter.

You'd have to be pretty whacked out on medication to allow someone to do that without getting other injuries.... unless the 2 shots were done together.. first one is inaccurate and doesn't kill but incapacitates her giving more time to allow a more "suicide accurate" shot.