whos decided?

[crooner1]

On the other hand being able to shoot oneself under the chin not once but twice is equally amazing? I think one thing that everyone seems to agree on, that jeremy didnt get a fair trial. Me i think there could be others involved?

[Pete0001]

yeah... totally agree.. not a fair trial really.
But my biggest fear is getting off on a technicality which proves nothing except the Police messed up (which we already know.)

[Tricksy]

I haven't decided as yet.

I think that there is a ton of information to read through, so until I have given it serious consideration, I can't give an opinion.

I still feel that he should receive a new trial though.

I echo Newbury's thoughts about a new trial and full disclosure of evidence.

[Hartley]

I still feel that he should receive a new trial though.

I'm not so sure, he's been found guilty in '86, he had an appeal in 2002 and the verdict was upheld. He can't just keep appealing over and over for a retrial to get the verdict he wants. Not unless there is evidence to warrant such a retrial.

I agree that all the evidence should be released and I'm confused why more hasn't been done to obtain it's release. But I would also say that upon it's release (when/if that ever happens), it needs to looked at to determine if a retrial should or shouldn't take place and not before.

I don't think I can say he should have a retrial based on evidence which may or may not exist in those files.

That's my take on things anyway.

[katrina]

im still undecided as there is just so much info to read but keep thinking that maybe if jeremy did kill everyone, he only thought that sheila was dead & left her unconscious in the kitchen. then when the police arrived & she came round, she saw the devastation of what had happened & panicked then killed herself in the bedroom? at this point then her body could have been moved by police possibly into the recovery position initially & then into the final position later on.

maybe this has been said somewhere else & discredited im not sure (sorry if it has) but think it might be an option. sheila may have in her altered mental state not reacted to the situation the way a balanced person would have. possibly thinking that she could be blamed as she was the only person in whf still alive.

maybe we will never know what really happened in the house that night.

[Kaldin]

The whole scenario is ridiculous. It annoys me that there isn't more information about what happened in the bedroom. It's all very well the police saying that Nevill must have been shot in there because of the number of bullet cases, but they didn't seem to have any idea of where he was when he was shot. That is very important because it would indicate if he was taken by surprise, or whether he was elsewhere when the shooting started and he went in there to protect June.

Likewise with the kitchen scene - the fight and the death of Nevill. The lack of detail is annoying.

[Jackiepreece]

As this thread is about if you believe jb is innocent or guilty does anyone know why jb was allowed to take a lie detector test in a maximum security prison I presume that is something that is up to an individual prison governors discretion and would that indicate that maybe the governor is on jb s and helping him with his case.  He must have a good idea with his experience

[Pete0001]

I would presume that human rights probably comes into it somewhere.. but either way a Governor isn't there to judge the inmate, just look after theirs and other inmates well being.
I wouldn't have thought there would be much ground to deny him taking the test. It would have been set up by his defense team so they would choose the tester, help arrange the test questions and then pay the man for his time/skills.

I would also imagine that its the sort of thing an inmate would only do once... it either backs up your claim or it doesn't.. taking it again would only discredit the test further, so for an inmate to request such a test the Governor is only likely to have to authorise it once.

[jon]

Would be good of Miss Mugford to take The Lie Detector Test , as she has nothing to hide does she ?

[andrea]

On the other hand being able to shoot oneself under the chin not once but twice is equally amazing? I think one thing that everyone seems to agree on, that jeremy didnt get a fair trial. Me i think there could be others involved?

im starting to think that someone else was involved too now, i was thinking sheila last night, but im thinking different now.Its all confusing !

but as i have said and many others have said, we need full discloure to put an end to this case once and for all.

surely thats what essex police must want too? if it wasnt jb then he should get an appeal hearing ath the least, if it wasnt sheila then we have a child killer walking the streets, who is as we speak getting away with it.

[Jackiepreece]

Did all the relatives have cast iron alibies

[joolz1975]

I change my mind every 5 minutes!

I agree unlikely for a woman shot under chin to be able to shoot again in same place, surely there would be blood all over the gun!?

Is it beyond doubt that the bullets came from just one gun? Because to me there's two different types of shooting. The clinical way the kids were shot and the more frenzied way Neville was shot.

Had the kids been sedated? Surely after hearing and seeing the first child shot the second would have made an attempt to move? But they were both found in bed.

Was cause of death definatly shooting for the kids? Could they have been suffocated or something then shot at afterwards (far fetched I know!)

[Sparkfilms]

I've never really been able to understand how anyone could plan a murder to look like a suicide and get those two shots into Shelia.

As I hinted at a few weeks ago on another thread, a top hit man hired by the Mafia would be unlikely to pull this off.

A third option with McDonald involved always seemed a possibility. A remote one though.

[andrea]

how could another person manage to shoot sheila under the chin? surley she must have struggled or put up some kind of fight? i havent heard that the kids had been drugged that certainly would have come out after the postmortems, maybe the twin who was shot last did hear or see something and was too scared to move or say anything (its a horrible thought i know) i just hope that both of them were asleep and unaware.

[Kaldin]

I think it's absurd to think that Sheila would have just let someone shoot her in that manner.