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Offline mike tesko

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BOUTFLOUR Statements...
« on: February 19, 2011, 07:31:PM »
BOUTFLOUR Statements

DPP edited Boutflours statement, left it undated, and got him to sign it later ( this was how they introduced the Bamber silencer which was found in the gun cupboard on 11th September 1`985, was introduced as having been found a month earlier on 10th August 1985 - there's nothing in the original file, SC/688/85, about the alleged find of a silencer in the gun cupboard by Boutflour, on 10th August 1985):-
« Last Edit: February 19, 2011, 08:02:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: BOUTFLOUR Statements...
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2011, 08:04:PM »
David Boutfkour finds silencer in gun cupboard on 11th September 1985, and he contacts the police by telephone on that same date, informing the police that he had taken the silencer to his sisters house. The police collect the silencer from Ann Eatons house, later that (11th September 1985) date...
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Re: BOUTFLOUR Statements...
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2011, 08:08:PM »
Another edited version of same witness  statement, supposedly consisting of two pages, but there are only one:-
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Re: BOUTFLOUR Statements...
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2011, 08:10:PM »
Thanks Mike,

That confirms evidence that should be listed as DRB 1-4.

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Re: BOUTFLOUR Statements...
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2011, 08:15:PM »
Here's another statement that was edited at a later date, because some of the items referred to, do not yet have an exhibit reference attached to them:-

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Re: BOUTFLOUR Statements...
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2011, 08:16:PM »
None of the above versions of statement, bear an original signature...
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Re: BOUTFLOUR Statements...
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2011, 08:19:PM »
DRB 3 & 4 are both ammunition, so must be different ammo... relevant to which guns?

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Re: BOUTFLOUR Statements...
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2011, 08:22:PM »
DRB 3 & 4 are both ammunition, so must be different ammo... relevant to which guns?

It's in Oakey's statement.

http://www.freejeremybamber.com/files/B27.pdf

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Re: BOUTFLOUR Statements...
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2011, 08:28:PM »
Thanks Mike,

That confirms evidence that should be listed as DRB 1-4.
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Evidence, elsewhere suggests that these other items, originally had the exhibit references, CAE/2, CAE/3 and CAE/4...

Somebody decided to change them to DRB exhibits, from CAE...

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Re: BOUTFLOUR Statements...
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2011, 08:38:PM »
So CAE is Christine Anne Eaton?
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Correct, exhibits CAE, were later altered into DRB exhibits...
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Re: BOUTFLOUR Statements...
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2011, 08:51:PM »
Thanks Mike,

That confirms evidence that should be listed as DRB 1-4.
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Evidence, elsewhere suggests that these other items, originally had the exhibit references, CAE/2, CAE/3 and CAE/4...

Somebody decided to change them to DRB exhibits, from CAE...

Still mapping that tree!

DRB 3 & 4 are both ammunition, so must be different ammo... relevant to which guns?

It's in Oakey's statement.

http://www.freejeremybamber.com/files/B27.pdf

Thanks.

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Re: BOUTFLOUR Statements...
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2011, 07:46:PM »
In Oakey's statement he refers to a drop of blood on one of the boxes in the gun cupboard, did they ever identify it?

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Re: BOUTFLOUR Statements...
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2012, 07:55:AM »
He insinuates that Neville Bamber was fastidious with his guns [as did RB] and says he would have put the rifle away after walking the dog, but then talks about finding a.22 and a shotgun amongst a pile of old clothes???

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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2012, 10:52:AM »
When reading Mr. Boutflour's statement the words that stood out for me were where he stated, "I find it inconceivable that in passing through the kitchen and hallway near the back door Uncle Nevill would have left a gun and ammunition lying around. Without doubt he would have put them away in the gun cupboard if he had seen them".
Now if he had taken the dog for a walk as was his practice then he probably would have seen them and with the added reason that the children were in the house he would no doubt have been doubly vigilant. (To my mind so should Jeremy. On his own admission he left a gun with a magazine full of bullets just lying around).
However, If Nevill had put the gun away and I believe we should assume that he did. Then the person who did the shooting had to go to the gun cupboard (which was unsecured) to get the gun and quite possible assemble it with the magazine, if Nevill had disarmed it properly. That I think should rule out any third party. The shooter was either Sheila or Jeremy. But which one?

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Re: BOUTFLOUR Statements...
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2012, 11:34:AM »
When reading Mr. Boutflour's statement the words that stood out for me were where he stated, "I find it inconceivable that in passing through the kitchen and hallway near the back door Uncle Nevill would have left a gun and ammunition lying around. Without doubt he would have put them away in the gun cupboard if he had seen them".
Now if he had taken the dog for a walk as was his practice then he probably would have seen them and with the added reason that the children were in the house he would no doubt have been doubly vigilant. (To my mind so should Jeremy. On his own admission he left a gun with a magazine full of bullets just lying around).
However, If Nevill had put the gun away and I believe we should assume that he did. Then the person who did the shooting had to go to the gun cupboard (which was unsecured) to get the gun and quite possible assemble it with the magazine, if Nevill had disarmed it properly. That I think should rule out any third party. The shooter was either Sheila or Jeremy. But which one?

Yes that's a fair analysis in my opinion.

As an 'anti' (  ::) ),  the view that I have, is that the whole rabbit hunting incident never occurred, the rifle was not handled by Jeremy the night before, he did not leave a loaded magazine and rifle on the settle or dining table, I believe that story was fabricated to leave the rifle in an accessible location to give the impression that Sheila could easily get hold of it.

The removal of the sight is a bit of a weak point, yes there is the explanation from Jeremy that it didn't fit in the case (or gun cupboard, depending on who you talk to) with it on, but there has been no corroboration of that being true and it doesn't really make sense that the sight would need to be zeroed in each time.

(that's just my view on it)