Jeremy pre CCRC decision - audio interview

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[maggie]

Just read this Roch, it is compelling.  "I just want to be free"   

Its certainly compelling, moving and thought provoking Patti.
I personally find it very hard to believe that Jeremy Bamber....proven sane and not in any way a psychopath could write about his family in such a way if he had killed them in cold blood.  imo

[Patti]

Its certainly compelling, moving and thought provoking Patti.
I personally find it very hard to believe that Jeremy Bamber....proven sane and not in any way a psychopath could write about his family in such a way if he had killed them in cold blood.  imo

Hi maggie, so do I, we are on the same wave length. 

The other thing about what curiousessex said was that Jeremy had said he hadn't got a clue about her illness, yet he called her a nutter..   I think this is misinterpreted, in the way that he knew she was ill, but did not thoroughly research her illness to point where he fully understood it.  I don't know about you maggie, but I still think mental illness is not fully understood by many...

[maggie]

Hi maggie, so do I, we are on the same wave length. 

The other thing about what curiousessex said was that Jeremy had said he hadn't got a clue about her illness, yet he called her a nutter..   I think this is misinterpreted, in the way that he knew she was ill, but did not thoroughly research her illness to point where he fully understood it.  I don't know about you maggie, but I still think mental illness is not fully understood by many...

I agree Patti, I'm sure Jeremy didnt know anything much about schizophrenia, he was 24, no doubt much more interested in his own life and needs than spending too much time wondering about Sheila's illness.
She was a 'nutter' he knew that and had seen her behaviour. If he ever knew she was scizophrenic he would have thought that meant ...split personality loads of people still believe thats what it is.
He called her a psychopath....wrong word but no reason why he should have used that word except in ignorance.
He knows about schizophrenia now but I bet the majority of the population STILL dont know much about paranoid schizophrenia. People are generally ignorant of it because they are scared of it. Its one of the last taboos. imo

[Steve_uk]

I agree Patti, I'm sure Jeremy didnt know anything much about schizophrenia, he was 24, no doubt much more interested in his own life and needs than spending too much time wondering about Sheila's illness.
She was a 'nutter' he knew that and had seen her behaviour. If he ever knew she was scizophrenic he would have thought that meant ...split personality loads of people still believe thats what it is.
He called her a psychopath....wrong word but no reason why he should have used that word except in ignorance.
He knows about schizophrenia now but I bet the majority of the population STILL dont know much about paranoid schizophrenia. People are generally ignorant of it because they are scared of it. Its one of the last taboos. imo

I think there may have been more to it than that. We don't know if Sheila's thoughts about killing the twins remained confidential between doctor and patient or whether Jeremy got wind of it through June or Nevill.

[Patti]

I agree Patti, I'm sure Jeremy didnt know anything much about schizophrenia, he was 24, no doubt much more interested in his own life and needs than spending too much time wondering about Sheila's illness.
She was a 'nutter' he knew that and had seen her behaviour. If he ever knew she was scizophrenic he would have thought that meant ...split personality loads of people still believe thats what it is.
He called her a psychopath....wrong word but no reason why he should have used that word except in ignorance.
He knows about schizophrenia now but I bet the majority of the population STILL dont know much about paranoid schizophrenia. People are generally ignorant of it because they are scared of it. Its one of the last taboos. imo

And more so back then maggie.  At work people often say..."Oh He is off with depression again" they have no understanding of what depression is, if they have never had it, then they haven't a clue what it is about.  In the work place mental illness is mostly ignored as a sign of Uh! He/She managed to get of sick again....

There is a lot of people out there now more willing to help than there probably were in 1980's....

Look at Mary Bell?  She is now a model citizen, after being incarcerated for 12 years. Vital years at that...

[Caroline R]

I agree Patti, I'm sure Jeremy didnt know anything much about schizophrenia, he was 24, no doubt much more interested in his own life and needs than spending too much time wondering about Sheila's illness.
She was a 'nutter' he knew that and had seen her behaviour. If he ever knew she was scizophrenic he would have thought that meant ...split personality loads of people still believe thats what it is.
He called her a psychopath....wrong word but no reason why he should have used that word except in ignorance.
He knows about schizophrenia now but I bet the majority of the population STILL dont know much about paranoid schizophrenia. People are generally ignorant of it because they are scared of it. Its one of the last taboos. imo

I can remember my brother doing lots of weird stuff and at times it would piss me off. I have referred to him in the past in a similar vane but after he committed suicide I wished I had learned more about his illness, which is why I went to uni and studied for my degree in psychology. It's no mystery why JB would call Sheila a 'nutter' it's life 'without' the benefit of hindsight - something we all 'have' when looking at what happened in this case. I loved my brother very much also, but didn't understand the implications of his illness. It's easy to judge others when looking into their lives after the fact with ideas of what people 'should' or 'shouldn't' do, think or feel.

[maggie]

I think there may have been more to it than that. We don't know if Sheila's thoughts about killing the twins remained confidential between doctor and patient or whether Jeremy got wind of it through June or Nevill.

We dont know very much stevebut I do believe myself that if nevill and june ever suspected Sheila's thoughts about killing anyone never mind the twins...all guns would have been locked away....it would appear no such thought had entered their minds. imo

[maggie]

I can remember my brother doing lots of weird stuff and at times it would piss me off. I have referred to him in the past in a similar vane but after he committed suicide I wished I had learned more about his illness, which is why I went to uni and studied for my degree in psychology. It's no mystery why JB would call Sheila a 'nutter' it's life 'without' the benefit of hindsight - something we all 'have' when looking at what happened in this case. I loved my brother very much also, but didn't understand the implications of his illness. It's easy to judge others when looking into their lives after the fact with ideas of what people 'should' or 'shouldn't' do, think or feel.

Exactly Caroline.

[Caroline R]

I think there may have been more to it than that. We don't know if Sheila's thoughts about killing the twins remained confidential between doctor and patient or whether Jeremy got wind of it through June or Nevill.

So you admit she had those thoughts now?

[Patti]

I can remember my brother doing lots of weird stuff and at times it would piss me off. I have referred to him in the past in a similar vane but after he committed suicide I wished I had learned more about his illness, which is why I went to uni and studied for my degree in psychology. It's no mystery why JB would call Sheila a 'nutter' it's life 'without' the benefit of hindsight - something we all 'have' when looking at what happened in this case. I loved my brother very much also, but didn't understand the implications of his illness. It's easy to judge others when looking into their lives after the fact with ideas of what people 'should' or 'shouldn't' do, think or feel.

Hi caroline, I am sorry to hear about your brother, I am sure you have mentioned this before! If only we knew then what we know now...is said often.  I'm sure Jeremy wonders why he did't take the initiative to find out back then, but he was a wee lad......as we grow up we know more....

[Caroline R]

Hi caroline, I am sorry to hear about your brother, I am sure you have mentioned this before! If only we knew then what we know now...is said often.  I'm sure Jeremy wonders why he did't take the initiative to find out back then, but he was a wee lad......as we grow up we know more....

Hi Patti, I guess like me there were other things to do - parties, holidays and just having a great time and no thought that the odd (and sometimes embarrassing) behaviour of your brother/sister would one day bite you in the back-side. There but for the grace of god ...... as the saying goes.

[Lugg]

I can remember my brother doing lots of weird stuff and at times it would piss me off. I have referred to him in the past in a similar vane but after he committed suicide I wished I had learned more about his illness, which is why I went to uni and studied for my degree in psychology. It's no mystery why JB would call Sheila a 'nutter' it's life 'without' the benefit of hindsight - something we all 'have' when looking at what happened in this case. I loved my brother very much also, but didn't understand the implications of his illness. It's easy to judge others when looking into their lives after the fact with ideas of what people 'should' or 'shouldn't' do, think or feel.

Remember that Robert Boutflour called her a nutter long before Jeremy did and he's never criticised for saying it. But suddenly Jeremy becomes a murderer because he said it.

[Caroline R]

Remember that Robert Boutflour called her a nutter long before Jeremy did and he's never criticised for saying it. But suddenly Jeremy becomes a murderer because he said it.

Good point Lugg!

[Steve_uk]

And more so back then maggie.  At work people often say..."Oh He is off with depression again" they have no understanding of what depression is, if they have never had it, then they haven't a clue what it is about.  In the work place mental illness is mostly ignored as a sign of Uh! He/She managed to get of sick again....

There is a lot of people out there now more willing to help than there probably were in 1980's....

Look at Mary Bell?  She is now a model citizen, after being incarcerated for 12 years. Vital years at that...

Whilst it would be churlish not to grant an 11 year old who had witnessed her prostitute mother giving and receiving acts of corporal punishment in her role as prostitute a second chance,I have my doubts that Mary Bell is today the model citizen you allege. Those that cared for her in the children's institution she was sent to tell a different tale of dead pets,vandalism and uncooperativeness with authority.The £50,000 she was given for colluding with a book on her crimes with Gitta Sereny,whom I also accuse of profiting from murder,was a disgrace. She lives in anonymity on the south coast of England whilst the families of the two boys she killed in 1968 have to pick up the pieces of what she did.