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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #76 on: February 04, 2013, 05:45:PM »
SHELL CASES/SPENT BULLETS

Main Bedroom

DRH 1 Sheila (Bullet Case)

DRH 2 Sheila  (Bullet Case)



DRH 3 Inside door of main bedroom on the right side. (Bullet Case)


DRH 4 Next to DRH 3 (Bullet Case)


DRH 5 Inside door, right hand side near dressing  table (BULLET)

DRH 6 Top of quilt right side of bed (Bullet Case)


DRH 7 Under Wardrobe (TWO Bullet Cases)

DRH 8 Left hand side of bed near pillow (Bullet Case)


DRH 9 Left hand side of pillow 4 inches from DRH 8  (BULLET)

DRH 10 Right hand side on the floor, next to bed. (Bullet Case)


DRH 11 Next to Wardrobe (Bullet Case)


DRH 12 Right side of bed on the floor (Bullet Case)


DRH 13 On metal strip leading to landing on the right side. (Bullet Case)

DRH  35 Found in Pillow (TWO BULLETS)


DRH 43 under wardrobe main bedroom right hand side.  (Bullet Case)


Total 14 Bullets in the main bedroom, from a magazine that only takes 10, with one in the breech.  ? (Bullet Case)


KITCHEN

DRH 19 Kitchen table (Bullet Case)


DRH 41 Kitchen floor under the table (Bullet Case)


DRH 20 Under mat near kitchen sink near Nevill's watch.  (Bullet Case)

T/ROOM

DRH 36 Found on floor. (BULLET)

DRH 37 (Bullet Case)

DRH 38  (Bullet Case)

DRH 39 (TWO BULLET CASES)

DRH 40  (Bullet Case)

DRH  34 (BULLET)

DRH 16 (Bullet Case)

DRH 17  (Bullet Case)

DRH 18  (Bullet Case)


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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #77 on: February 04, 2013, 06:01:PM »
PV 2 weight 37.45  left shoulder virtually intact virtually intact on one side, whole, flattened. 2 feet away in a downward position.

PV 3 weight 29.72  1.968 grms strongly suggestive being from (18) This bullet was a head shot , fwd to the ear left temperal. It nose of the bullet was extensively damaged. fired within a couple of inches


Pv4 weight 32.28  2.0999grms top of the back of the skull bullet as whole. But then goes on to report the bullet was badly mushroomed. Suggestive as being fired from (18)




PV5  According to Vanezes  is a fragment form the left hand side jaw of NB.

From the General examination record it is known as PV5/11 although it is a fragment form another bullet, Fletcher says it is nearly whole.  However, on a different record he clearly states it is a small fragment unable to match up if it came from (18)  (Why weren't these fragments matched up)

It is fig. 6 on the diagram (drawing can be viewed in the photo section in the archives)

? Which bullet did this fragment belong too. We see two shots to the jaw of NB but it is obvious fig 6 is not a shot it is a fragment.  Thus making shots fired to NB as being 7.

It appears that this fragment is quite heavy, yet Fletcher claims it was small.....?  Nearly as heavy as PV3  which was nearly whole.

PV8 Weight 25.12  1.63grms.  Found in left hand side of skull see fig 3 This bullet was flattened and was mushroomed Nearly whole. Not able to match if it was fired from (18

PV9  Vanezes describes this as a bullet found in the top of the brain on the left hand side.  It has no weight.

 Fletcher was able to establish that this fragment had been fired at close range of a couple of inches

PV10  left of neck See fig 5 Fletcher:  this bullet/fragment was a piece of badly mangled and distorted lead Fletcher goes on to say it is now half a bullet.....not suitable for matching or testing that it was fired from (18)

PV11 See PV5...

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #78 on: February 04, 2013, 06:17:PM »
Just comparing weights..... ::)

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #79 on: February 04, 2013, 07:56:PM »
Either Mike or possibly the old MacKenzie group. It's a theory by others and not an official document.

Its Theory that convicted Jeremy of the murders! the invented evidence on the silencer (sound moderator)
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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #80 on: February 04, 2013, 08:00:PM »
Its Theory that convicted Jeremy of the murders! the invented evidence on the silencer (sound moderator)

 
i thought the phone call was a bigger reason for his quilt ? even Essex Police were severely critised for ignoring this fact early on in the case

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #81 on: February 04, 2013, 08:02:PM »
Its Theory that convicted Jeremy of the murders! the invented evidence on the silencer (sound moderator)


It certainly was PB,,,the blooming thing was pivotal in the case as a whole.

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #82 on: February 05, 2013, 09:20:AM »
This from a woman who couldn't drive,couldn't pour boiling water into a cup to make tea,couldn't put beans on toast,yet reloaded a rifle twice without so much as cracking a nail..

Says who? She put nail polish on, she prepared food for the twins party, she rolled a joint!! From the pictures Steve, her nails aren't that long and why you think they would have to crack is beyond me!

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #83 on: February 05, 2013, 09:22:AM »
Caroline  if the cap fits steve wears it ;D that is why some of his theories are way out ;D

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #84 on: February 05, 2013, 11:00:AM »

It certainly was PB,,,the blooming thing was pivotal in the case as a whole.
Personally I think the telephone call was the pivot of the case. Because if you believe he is telling the truth, then he is innocent. But if you believe he is lying, then he must be guilty.. Just my opinion of course.

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #85 on: February 08, 2013, 09:59:AM »
Personally I think the telephone call was the pivot of the case. Because if you believe he is telling the truth, then he is innocent. But if you believe he is lying, then he must be guilty.. Just my opinion of course.

Surely that should be... if you can prove he's lying then he's guilty, otherwise he is innocent.

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #86 on: February 08, 2013, 10:28:AM »
Without a phone-call to the police,,how would they have known anything was going on.? Particularly as the car going to WHF was a minute or two quicker and came from a different station than the one which Jeremy had rang.? Two different times of calls recorded.

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #87 on: February 08, 2013, 10:30:AM »
Surely that should be... if you can prove he's lying then he's guilty, otherwise he is innocent.

Unfortunately, they can't prove it either way (or so they say) - but I very much doubt he would have known that!!

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #88 on: February 08, 2013, 11:12:AM »
Without a phone-call to the police,,how would they have known anything was going on.? Particularly as the car going to WHF was a minute or two quicker and came from a different station than the one which Jeremy had rang.? Two different times of calls recorded.
That's what I have been saying. The antis can only come to the conclusions that they do if they alter the times. The pros on the other hand are working with the actual facts here. The times ARE different and to my mind it is far too easy to say that the police "made a mistake" with the times. Anyone could say that if they want to put a different slant on things.

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Re: Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...
« Reply #89 on: February 08, 2013, 12:44:PM »
That's what I have been saying. The antis can only come to the conclusions that they do if they alter the times. The pros on the other hand are working with the actual facts here. The times ARE different and to my mind it is far too easy to say that the police "made a mistake" with the times. Anyone could say that if they want to put a different slant on things.

 
Wether  anti or pro on this matter is everyone missing the point of this whole thread ?
Mike has stated in the opening lines that gas and residue were found on the 'LEFT' side of SC's nightie.... if SC were the killer in the case then are we to think that a righthanded women held and fired a gun useing her left hand ?..... and also has a 100% hit rate at that too  :o