Gases/residue from gun found on nightdress worn by Sheila Caffell...

[maggie]

Who's to say the ammo used in the shootings was not eley sub-sonic? but high-velocity rounds were the bullet is copper plated. Since my last laptop died, I will have to re-build my research over again!

Oh hardluck PB you had loads of stuff about the bullets etc. 

[Patti]

Who's to say the ammo used in the shootings was not eley sub-sonic? but high-velocity rounds were the bullet is copper plated. Since my last laptop died, I will have to re-build my research over again!

There is a log, stating high-speed loads were used in one magazine 10shots? and eleys, and the EP came back to the scene to remove the eley subs to false evidence against Jeremy?

I think I can say with certainty that they were all lead.  I was hoping they were cooper.. 

 

[packagebuilder]

We not to know about the bullets because the wern't all removed!! as soon the bodies were gone, the case changed to murder!!   

Oh patti they are lead but with a .005 thick copper coating which wear of in the barrel as a high speed lube  

[Patti]

We not to know about the bullets because the wern't all removed!! as soon the bodies were gone, the case changed to murder!!   

Oh patti they are lead but with a .005 thick copper coating which wear of in the barrel as a high speed lube  

I don't think they were PB...I know what you mean though, sometimes they have a copper coating on the lead....also brass...Now you are making me not sure.   

[packagebuilder]

There is a document on here somewhere which 10 rounds where .22lr HV Soilds! which looks like the top ones the Eley Sub-sonic Has Bullet lube (paffin wax) to protect the lead from oxidizing.

[Patti]

Does this help:  Not sure what I am looking for but if what you are saying is true, then the tests should have been made with the exact bullets used, which could have made the nozzle hotter? 

[packagebuilder]

Nope not that one, it's another log.

it shows which PV and changes of the references used? and which bullet hit who!

[Patti]

Something like this?

one - single magazine mark (June Bamber) - main bedroom (non fatal)
two - single magazine mark (June Bamber) - main bedroom (non fatal)
three - single magazine mark (June Bamber) - main bedroom (non fatal)
four - single magazine mark (June Bamber) - main bedroom (non fatal)
five - single magazine mark (June Bamber) - main bedroom (non fatal)
six - double magazine mark (Daniel Caffell) - childrens bedroom (fatal)
seven - double magazine mark (Nicholas Caffell) - childrens bedroom (fatal)
eight - double magazine mark (Ralph Bamber) - kitchen (non fatal)
nine - double magazine mark (June Bamber) - main bedroom (fatal)
ten - double magazine mark (June Bamber) - main bedroom (fatal)

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First ten (10) Bullets (b)

one - single magazine mark (June Bamber) - main bedroom (non fatal)
two - single magazine mark (June Bamber) - main bedroom (non fatal)
three - single magazine mark (June Bamber) - main bedroom (non fatal)
four - single magazine mark (June Bamber) - main bedroom (non fatal)
five - single magazine mark (June Bamber) - main bedroom (non fatal)
six - double magazine mark (Daniel Caffell) - childrens bedroom (fatal)
seven - double magazine mark (Nicholas Caffell) - childrens bedroom (fatal)
eight - double magazine mark (June Bamber) - main bedroom (fatal)
nine - double magazine mark (June Bamber) - main bedroom (fatal)
Ten - double magazine mark (Ralph Bamber) - Kitchen (non fatal)

[Alias]

That is not the case.  Firing the rifle would not in itself cause the end of the barrel to be heated sufficiently, but the application of an additional heat source could.

 

If the rifle had been stuck into the AGA (hypothetically), wouldn´t it have had blackening/discoloration on the tip? Try burning a piece of metal - it turns black in my experience. Maybe that is not the case for all metals, i don´t know.

[packagebuilder]

don't worry I find it soon! its similar to that yes! I think this report was done at the time of the autopsies! But the firearms expert need a batch of ammo from the scene, so the bullets in plain sight in the kitchen table was used!

Yes these bullets were used, But I feel 10 bullets was used were high speed loads that was record.

But that report could of been confused with high point or hollow point!! but it was recorded as soild bullets too   

I seen my old post!

DRH/15 deemed "missing" but high volcity load.
DRH/35 pillow main bedroom, high volcity rounds
PV/2 Ralph left arm, High volcity rounds
PV/24 june right side of spine, High volcity rounds
DRH/5 nr dressing table, high volcity rounds
DRH/36 rh edge of left bed (twins Room), high volcity rounds

[Patti]

don't worry I find it soon! its similar to that yes! I think this report was done at the time of the autopsies! But the firearms expert need a batch of ammo from the scene, so the bullets in plain sight in the kitchen table was used!

Yes these bullets were used, But I feel 10 bullets was used were high speed loads that was record.

But that report could of been confused with high point or hollow point!! but it was recorded as soild bullets too   

I seen my old post!

DRH/15 deemed "missing" but high volcity load.
DRH/35 pillow main bedroom, high volcity rounds
PV/2 Ralph left arm, High volcity rounds
PV/24 june right side of spine, High volcity rounds
DRH/5 nr dressing table, high volcity rounds
DRH/36 rh edge of left bed (twins Room), high volcity rounds

It is not possible to give a description of PV2....because that wound fig8 is an exit wound and the bullet was never found....Vanezes said it had fragmented into his chest cavity, but he fails to say how it entered the chest....there are no more entry wounds on NB's body.....

[big-goolies]

Gases and residue from the firing of the rifle were found on the left hand side of Sheila Caffells nightdress, a feature not reported on, which strongly suggests she fired the rifle on several occasions...

 
so was SC left-handed ?  also as SC was 'supposed' to have commited suicide wouldnt there be residue on the front of her nightie too ?

[Lugg]

 
so was SC left-handed ?  also as SC was 'supposed' to have commited suicide wouldnt there be residue on the front of her nightie too ?

I should think that would be so even if someone else had shot her surely?

[packagebuilder]

found it!




who write this report!? or findings.... .22lr High Velocity round "soilds" not hollow points... the thin copper plated lead .22lr are high velocity?

[-Harters-]

found it!




who write this report!? or findings.... .22lr High Velocity round "soilds" not hollow points... the thin copper plated lead .22lr are high velocity?

Either Mike or possibly the old MacKenzie group. It's a theory by others and not an official document.