Pathologist concluded that Sheila's body, consistent with known facts of call...

[mike tesko]

Pathologist concluded that the condition of Sheila Caffells body, rate at which rigor mortis had set in by the time he performed the autopsy on Sheila Caffells corpse at 3:30pm, on 7th August 1985, was/is consistent with her having died several hours previously...

What is meant by the reference ' several hours previously"?

8am...

9am...

9:30am...

[mike tesko]

In order for Jeremy to be the killer he would have had to kill everyone, stage manage bodies, leave scene, call police - which would place Sheila's death before 3am...

Is a 12 and a half hour period, consistent with her death having occurred several hours before her autopsy?

[Bridget]

In order for Jeremy to be the killer he would have had to kill everyone, stage manage bodies, leave scene, call police - which would place Sheila's death before 3am...

Is a 12 and a half hour period, consistent with her death having occurred several hours before her autopsy?

Which report are you looking at?

[lookout]

In order for Jeremy to be the killer he would have had to kill everyone, stage manage bodies, leave scene, call police - which would place Sheila's death before 3am...

Is a 12 and a half hour period, consistent with her death having occurred several hours before her autopsy?

Sorry for this folks. But in 12 hours,poor Sheila would have been immovable,stiff as a board with complete rigor mortis. Given that most think that the family were murdered just after midnight or thereabouts.

[Bridget]

Sorry for this folks. But in 12 hours,poor Sheila would have been immovable,stiff as a board with complete rigor mortis. Given that most think that the family were murdered just after midnight or thereabouts.

Yes, which is consistant with what Venezis said: "Rigor mortis was well established".

[lookout]

Yes, which is consistant with what Venezis said: "Rigor mortis was well established".

Didn't look like it to me in Sheilas' case,the way her body was manipulated to accommodate the rifle which was placed on her. How on earth would the police have put her in any recovery position if she'd been as stiff as a board.? It was the police who'd said that they tried to revive her.So in effect,,the police didn't,or couldn't tell whether Sheila was dead or not,so they just thought they'd try their revival skills on her.?

[lookout]

Didn't look like it to me in Sheilas' case,the way her body was manipulated to accommodate the rifle which was placed on her. How on earth would the police have put her in any recovery position if she'd been as stiff as a board.? It was the police who'd said that they tried to revive her.So in effect,,the police didn't,or couldn't tell whether Sheila was dead or not,so they just thought they'd try their revival skills on her.?

Nor did her face take on that waxy appearance,like a mask. No way had Sheila been dead long.

[Bridget]

Didn't look like it to me in Sheilas' case,the way her body was manipulated to accommodate the rifle which was placed on her. How on earth would the police have put her in any recovery position if she'd been as stiff as a board.? It was the police who'd said that they tried to revive her.So in effect,,the police didn't,or couldn't tell whether Sheila was dead or not,so they just thought they'd try their revival skills on her.?

Well firstly we're talking about the PM here, which was 5 or so hours after the photos were taken. Secondly, no one tried to revive her, or put her in the recovery position - I have no idea where you get that from.

[lookout]

Well firstly we're talking about the PM here, which was 5 or so hours after the photos were taken. Secondly, no one tried to revive her, or put her in the recovery position - I have no idea where you get that from.

No doubt Jeremy will have all that information,Bridget. I did read it,I can promise you that. Also it would account for the blood going sideways and pooling under her arm.

[Bridget]

No doubt Jeremy will have all that information,Bridget. I did read it,I can promise you that. Also it would account for the blood going sideways and pooling under her arm.

It may well be someone's theory, but there's no evidence for it at all. In fact the photographic evidence shows exactly the opposite, unless think they tried to revive her, put her in the recovery position and then shot her - which would be pretty stupid even for them.

[maggie]

Nor did her face take on that waxy appearance,like a mask. No way had Sheila been dead long.

I agree lookout, I almost wrote this before that I feel the reason Sheila didn't look dead in the photos even tho she was obviously mortally wounded was because her face was not waxen or shrunken in any way, she did still look warm and she did stll look alive.  This surely could only be because she hadn't been dead for long enough for her face and particularly her cheeks to have shrunk and paled as the blood drained away.

[Bridget]

I agree lookout, I almost wrote this before that I feel the reason Sheila didn't look dead in the photos even tho she was obviously mortally wounded was because her face was not waxen or shrunken in any way, she did still look warm and she did stll look alive.  This surely could only be because she hadn't been dead for long enough for her face and particularly her cheeks to have shrunk and paled as the blood drained away.

How long would you say that it takes for the blood to drain Maggie? It must start pretty much straight away.

[Buddy]

Nor did her face take on that waxy appearance,like a mask. No way had Sheila been dead long.

I have said this before Lookout. Sheila was flat on her back, not in the recovery position.

[lookout]

I agree lookout, I almost wrote this before that I feel the reason Sheila didn't look dead in the photos even tho she was obviously mortally wounded was because her face was not waxen or shrunken in any way, she did still look warm and she did stll look alive.  This surely could only be because she hadn't been dead for long enough for her face and particularly her cheeks to have shrunk and paled as the blood drained away.

That's right Maggie.I've seen quite a few dead people,who looked dead if you understand what I mean.
Why a rectal thermometer wasn't used to calculate times of death,I don't know,as it's one of the most important factors at a crime scene,to establish the time of death.It's very bad.

[Bridget]

That's right Maggie.I've seen quite a few dead people,who looked dead if you understand what I mean.
Why a rectal thermometer wasn't used to calculate times of death,I don't know,as it's one of the most important factors at a crime scene,to establish the time of death.It's very bad.

She looks pretty dead to me..