Jeremy Bamber's story - NOTW deal

[Jane]

No lookout he was an adoptee whose parents provided the love and care of sorts but where he never felt particularly comfortable. True many young people take a year out and travel the world but upon return Jeremy preferred working at a Little Chef on the A12 rather than the career which had been mapped out for him almost from birth.

The psychiatric testing he took in prison suggested that he was in the lowest 10% of ability on one of the tests,yet he knew on which side his bread was buttered and as he told Julie when she asked why he didn't just leave he replied: "I have too much to lose". It was during this time that Jeremy had time to think about planning the murders,whilst outwardly giving the appearance of someone who had settled down to the farming lifestyle,one must never forget that he was ploughing the fields with an ulterior motive,a corn carter with malice aforethought.

From what I recall, falling into the lowest 10% intellectually, would put him, without doubt, into the realms of someone incapable of planning the route from D'arcy to Tiptree, let alone 5 murders.

[Caroline R]

Is that what Julie told you,that the murders had been planned " over a period of a year ".?

Yes Lookout, 'always' when he was in his tractor!

[Caroline R]

Caroline have you read the evidence:"I must never turn my back on that young man..the shooting season is coming up..accidents do happen..if he buys (that gun) we'll all have to be on our guard..

I'm afriad the Defence has been wantonly misled by an evil charmer,who sometimes forgets his lines.

That's not evidence!

[Steve_uk]

Well it was one test in which he fell into the lowest 10%..the other test he fared better at. I don't set much store by the tests but it's just something to think about. It may have been Scott Lomax's book where I got the information but I don't have it at home right now.

[lookout]

Caroline have you read the evidence:"I must never turn my back on that young man..the shooting season is coming up..accidents do happen..if he buys (that gun) we'll all have to be on our guard..

I'm afraid the Defence has been wantonly misled by an evil charmer,who sometimes forgets his lines.

Neville meant that he would never let Jeremy down,,,but added nothing about the shooting season,,those are your words.

[Caroline R]

Well it was one test in which he fell into the lowest 10%..the other test he fared better at. I don't set much store by the tests but it's just something to think about. It may have been Scott Lomax's book where I got the information but I don't have it at home right now.

But you don't know what the test was set to measure? You really can't use it as a debate point if you don't know what point it's making! For all you know, it could have been a test to measure his capacity to learn languages or visio spatial capabilities. It can't be something to think about if we all we know is that is was a test!!

[Jane]

Caroline have you read the evidence:"I must never turn my back on that young man..the shooting season is coming up..accidents do happen..if he buys (that gun) we'll all have to be on our guard..

I'm afraid the Defence has been wantonly misled by an evil charmer,who sometimes forgets his lines.

You are taking all those lines out of context, in the same way that you bend, manipulate, contradict and grab unauthenticated sound bites to fit what you're saying at the time. It seems you still can't make up your mind whether you would like Jeremy to be a psychopath or a soul so lost and longing for someone of his own blood that he's hoping to impregnate Julie eveytime he has sex with her.

[Roch]

He was stoned at the time of the murders:Ann Eaton noted his dilated pupils on the morning of the murders at Goldhanger. The gun may well have been lightweight and easy to use-I'm sure that's the manufacturers want to portray in their literature,but this particular gun was stiff and may well have jammed during the murders. You also disregard the reloading requirement,with of course all Sheila's nails intact.

I have taken the liberty of amending your post (replacing the missing latter bracket on the end quote).
What kind of drugs was he known to be using prior to the killings? Cannabis does not dilate pupils.  It turns them in to 'piss holes in the snow'

[paris]

I have taken the liberty of amending your post (replacing the missing latter bracket on the end quote).
What kind of drugs was he known to be using prior to the killings? Cannabis does not dilate pupils.  It turns them in to 'piss holes in the snow'

what drugs/narcotics did jeremy use? and did he have a history of being impulsive or having rage o
utburts?

[Steve_uk]

I have taken the liberty of amending your post (replacing the missing latter bracket on the end quote).
What kind of drugs was he known to be using prior to the killings? Cannabis does not dilate pupils.  It turns them in to 'piss holes in the snow'

I wouldn't know,but I stand by Ann Eaton's remarks about Jeremy's dilated pupils. I also stand by the "shooting season is coming up" remarks, whether or not they were made on a separate occasion from the "I must never turn my back on that young man" comments,it is patently clear to any sensible impartial observer what the import of these comments are,and I would urge the Jeremy supporters to acknowledge them.

[Jane]

what drugs/narcotics did jeremy use? and did he have a history of being impulsive or having rage o
utburts?

Paris, hi. As far as I know, he just had the odd spliff. Steve would have us believe he was into cocaine, but much of what he says, regarding Jeremy is, IMO, spurious. Unlike Sheila, Jeremy doesn't seem to have suffered outbursts.

[Jane]

I wouldn't know,but I stand by Ann Eaton's remarks about Jeremy's dilated pupils. I also stand by the "shooting season is coming up" remarks, whether or not they were made on a separate occasion from the "I must never turn my back on that young man" comments,it is patently clear to any sensible impartial observer what the import of these comments are,and I would urge the Jeremy supporters to acknowledge them.

Those remarks can mean what ever you want them to mean, and we know what you want them to mean.

[Roch]

I wouldn't know,but I stand by Ann Eaton's remarks about Jeremy's dilated pupils. I also stand by the "shooting season is coming up" remarks, whether or not they were made on a separate occasion from the "I must never turn my back on that young man" comments,it is patently clear to any sensible impartial observer what the import of these comments are,and I would urge the Jeremy supporters to acknowledge them.

It's certainly clear how much gravity you attribute to the alleged 'never turn my back' comment.  Here is your second ever post on the forum: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=878;area=showposts;start=945 (second from the bottom).

What about the remark that nobody on the jury got to hear about... 'all people are bad and should be killed'? (attributed to Sheila Caffell).  If you 'stand by' Ann Eaton's recollections, do you also 'stand by' that one?

[lookout]

I wouldn't know,but I stand by Ann Eaton's remarks about Jeremy's dilated pupils. I also stand by the "shooting season is coming up" remarks, whether or not they were made on a separate occasion from the "I must never turn my back on that young man" comments,it is patently clear to any sensible impartial observer what the import of these comments are,and I would urge the Jeremy supporters to acknowledge them.

 And Sorry,Steve,I don't buy your remarks either.

[Steve_uk]

It's certainly clear how much gravity you attribute to the alleged 'never turn my back' comment.  What about the remark that nobody on the jury got to hear about... 'all people are bad and should be killed'? (attributed to Sheila Caffell).  If you 'stand by' Ann Eaton's recollections, do you also 'stand by' that one?

Sheila may have regarded herself as a white witch,who is quite harmless. I never said it wasn't theoretically possible that Sheila couldn't have killed them,it's just that I,unlike most people on this site,try to weigh up the evidence and for me the most telling evidence is Julie's statement backed up by the one other time the whole family were together on one roof and Charles Marsden's statement therefrom.