Jeremy Bamber's story - NOTW deal

[Patti]

#67 used words to that effect. I was answering a variety of points in one thread and whoever alleged it is wrong. Julie vouchsafed that a glove came off in the fight with Nevill which if made up,Julie was taking a risk as she had no way of knowing whether forensics could have verified this or not.

Steve I wouldn't say such a thin, it is not in my nature....to be personal too about someone... I recognise that it was an ordeal for everyone and, it must have been very difficult to have to come to terms with it all....

Sometime we strive for answers when we get hurt and we hit out at those around us....

[mertol22]

We only have her word of what Jeremy supposedly told her, there is no concrete evidence that such conversations ever took place. Unless you can prove it of course, can you?

Sorry Steve, but her education has nothing to do with anything, has it? 

The quality of the police and their investigating standards were then and now poor, this was in a sense a plea bargain information without material proof in exchange for not arresting her.

[Patti]

The quality of the police and their investigating standards were then and now poor, this was in a sense a plea bargain information without material proof in exchange for not arresting her.

Mertol

I have a great respect for our police force, unfortunately its the minority that spoil of the majority. Some time they get it wrong Mertol but, the majority of the time they get it right....They are only human....If they were not too tied up in paper work they could do what they are trained to do and that is policing....There is good and bad.....Good night Mertol 

[mertol22]

The question that needs to be put to anti members is an ultra clear one, did mugford have a moral right to that money? no human could profit from such events and have no thought to what they have done ,

[gringo]

The quality of the police and their investigating standards were then and now poor, this was in a sense a plea bargain information without material proof in exchange for not arresting her.

So poor and corrupt were police at this time that it led to the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (Pace). This was in response to public disquiet over serious MOJ's which had come to light (Birmingham 6 , Guildford 4 , Carl Bridgewater 4 ) which were provably based on false and fabricated evidence including forged confessions , beating confessions out of suspects etc . This sort of corruption was/is institutionalised in the police and bringing in new rules does not suddenly change cheating, lying thugs into upstanding public servants . It just shifts the goalposts and I believe that their are many police who are corrupt .

[Steve_uk]

The question that needs to be put to anti members is an ultra clear one, did mugford have a moral right to that money? no human could profit from such events and have no thought to what they have done ,

Her payment was for the stress of having to testify in the witness box and the notoriety of becoming a public figure with the ramifications that brought for her career. I reiterate:she was a good and truthful witness who earned every penny of the £15,000 sum.

[mertol22]

So poor and corrupt were police at this time that it led to the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (Pace). This was in response to public disquiet over serious MOJ's which had come to light (Birmingham 6 , Guildford 4 , Carl Bridgewater 4 ) which were provably based on false and fabricated evidence including forged confessions , beating confessions out of suspects etc . This sort of corruption was/is institutionalised in the police and bringing in new rules does not suddenly change cheating, lying thugs into upstanding public servants . It just shifts the goalposts and I believe that their are many police who are corrupt .

A local female police officer told me a few weeks ago there are good and bad cops, a wholesale disposal of the bad can start now for starters, waste the money on making tanks just get them out.

[mertol22]

Her payment was for the stress of having to testify in the witness box and the notoriety of becoming a public figure with the ramifications that brought for her career. I reiterate:she was a good and truthful witness who earned every penny of the £15,000 sum.

stress is an illness i thought help/medication is the normal solution not financial reward you cant be all that stressed to recieve a cheque.

[lookout]

There are indeed,Gringo,some of them being worse than the criminals themselves.

I tell of a different story of Jeremys',which was posted by himself yesterday,Sunday,and it starts by saying that he's in the process of having a televised interview coming up.

He goes on to say that there are 3.5million electronic documents being held by himself and his team which includes material from all different judicial departments and investigations.   No-one holds these documents in one place collectively,so putting the team in a very strong position.
The case files are made up of::: Home Office files,,,CPS files,,,Forensic Science Services files,,,Appeal Court files,,,all of Jeremys' files,,,all of Jeremys' Barristers files,,,Jeremys' solicitors files,,,IPCC files,,,CCRC files,,,The Dickinson Enquiry files,,,The Metropolitan ( Stokenchurch files ),,,Civil Case files,,,Judicial Reviews,,a copy of the the police Holmes2 computer files,,,media files,,,Correspondence files,,,research files,,,law reports,,,forensic expert files,,,photographs and material from Jeremys' prison files.

No-one else has all this material in one place.

Jeremy continues to say that by reading 500 pages each day for 365 days a year,it would take 19 years and 4 months to read everything once. More evidence is being discovered on a daily basis by Jeremy and his teams,both legal and admin.

[gringo]

Her payment was for the stress of having to testify in the witness box and the notoriety of becoming a public figure with the ramifications that brought for her career. I reiterate:she was a good and truthful witness who earned every penny of the £15,000 sum.

Witnesses aren't meant to "earn" anything steve .

[Steve_uk]

She deserved the money,it was the way the system worked and the way the system still does work.

[lookout]

She deserved the money,it was the way the system worked and the way the system still does work.

Yeah,corrupt.You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.!

[Steve_uk]

Yeah,corrupt.You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.!

No,not really..it was for the disruption to her career as the Inner London Education Authority suspended her from teaching,and if this isn't a cause of stress I don't know what would be. She taught for two further years in Britain before going on a world trip,where she met her future husband,and started a family in Canada at the same time as taking her chosen career up again,and engaging in charity work for the local community. She has stuck to her statement for 27 years and has never once been gainsaid by any of her British friends,unlike Jeremy's set who have mostly deserted him.

[gringo]

She deserved the money,it was the way the system worked and the way the system still does work.

She did not "deserve" the money . That is a bizarre thing to claim .

[gringo]

No,not really..it was for the disruption to her career as the Inner London Education Authority suspended her from teaching,and if this isn't a cause of stress I don't know what would be. She taught for two further years in Britain before going on a world trip,where she met her future husband,and started a family in Canada at the same time as taking her chosen career up again,and engaging in charity work for the local community. She has stuck to her statement for 27 years and has never once been gainsaid by any of her British friends,unlike Jeremy's set who have mostly deserted him.

So if it's all perfectly ok why don't the prosecution just admit this . Is it perhaps because you are alone in your view of this and everybody else understands why it seriously damages JM's credibility and with it the whole conviction .