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« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2012, 12:48:AM »

Youre such a good hubby, Harts!!

Hows the little one?

Still little, but getting bigger, fine thanks.  :)

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« Reply #61 on: September 10, 2012, 12:51:AM »
Good, glad to hear it.
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« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2012, 12:58:AM »
Well, on that note, I'll bid you all good night and catch up later in the week. Night all x

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« Reply #63 on: September 10, 2012, 01:01:AM »
Night, Harts x
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« Reply #64 on: September 10, 2012, 01:27:AM »
Oh man, this place just gets stranger.

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« Reply #65 on: September 10, 2012, 10:12:AM »
Oh man, this place just gets stranger.

You're telling me. I thought I was on the wrong forum.!

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« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2012, 12:33:PM »
Thanks for response.  I tried to read it but the handwriting isn't the easiest.  I've been trying to work out whether the page of the logs that the defence claim has been 'misplaced' by EP, could have been 'misplaced' after it had become clear, that McDonald was a non-starter.  The alleged sighting would have suited a prosecution that involved a third party.  But when it became focused upon JB being the shooter, the alleged sighting became a potential hindrance.  I was trying to work out if there was an attempt by police to shoehorn in a third party, due the sighting having been real, as alleged by JB.  But I cannot understand wht McDonald would be picked on and the only thing I could come up with was JM falling apart under duress and naming somebody, i.e. him. 'mercenary'.

Here’s a suggestion based upon the way plausibility becomes an important consideration when it comes to building a case when real evidence lacking. My basic theory concerning Julie Mugford’s evidence is that she was far less imaginative than Jeremy’s supporters think.

Assuming that nobody doubts that the relatives suspected Jeremy before he fell out with Julie, it’s more than just likely that they communicated their suspicions to her and, given that they had suspicions, its likely that they would have tried to put together a plausible narrative.

Jeremy was regarded as a bit of  Nancy boy, so they say. It would have been hard for them to imagine him carrying out the shootings himself, so perhaps one of them just suggested that he probably hired a hitman, and MacDonald’s name was mentioned, just because the idea seemed plausible.  Or, maybe they just said  “hired killer” or words to that effect and Julie herself just thought it would probably be MacDonald.

Julie was a working class girl. She would have seen Jeremy’s relatives as “posh” and with an air of authority about them. She would have taken their suspicions very seriously. At any rate the likes of Roger Wilkes and more recently Bob Woffinden certainly did. 








 

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« Reply #67 on: September 10, 2012, 12:57:PM »
Here’s a suggestion based upon the way plausibility becomes an important consideration when it comes to building a case when real evidence lacking. My basic theory concerning Julie Mugford’s evidence is that she was far less imaginative than Jeremy’s supporters think.

Assuming that nobody doubts that the relatives suspected Jeremy before he fell out with Julie, it’s more than just likely that they communicated their suspicions to her and, given that they had suspicions, its likely that they would have tried to put together a plausible narrative.

Jeremy was regarded as a bit of  Nancy boy, so they say. It would have been hard for them to imagine him carrying out the shootings himself, so perhaps one of them just suggested that he probably hired a hitman, and MacDonald’s name was mentioned, just because the idea seemed plausible.  Or, maybe they just said  “hired killer” or words to that effect and Julie herself just thought it would probably be MacDonald.

Julie was a working class girl. She would have seen Jeremy’s relatives as “posh” and with an air of authority about them. She would have taken their suspicions very seriously. At any rate the likes of Roger Wilkes and more recently Bob Woffinden certainly did.


What a good post,Martin. I,for one didn't believe that Julie Mugford had much between the ears,and yes,she would have been influenced by the relatives,,who weren't exactly close to Jeremys' family.
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« Reply #68 on: September 10, 2012, 01:14:PM »

I think that the NOTW knew they'd be working with her in the future, most people began to become wise to the fact that Jeremy Bamber had actually odne the killings and that Julie had a story to tell, the NOTW wanted the story - so they kept her on side.

I don't recall Julie saying that she had never stayed in a hotel paid for by the  NOTW so I don't think it will be a problem.

Also, even if the defence did manage to get Julie in the U.K (which I can't see them doing) I don't even think they'd know what to do with her.

Oh yes they would!


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« Reply #69 on: September 10, 2012, 03:09:PM »
Oh yes they would!

I truly do wonder, NGB. I'm not sure Simon knows how to get her over. If it was blocked by a judge as has been suggested - then it means he tried and failed already.
But if Simon somehow managed to force her over - he wouldn't be able to show her any more likely to lie than the judge did in the original trial and whilst she's hear if she gives a press interview or two - it will all end up even worse for Bamber.

Simon McKay would only be able to cross examine Julie Mugford if the Court of Appeal allowed an application for her to be called as a witness.  Simon can only make that application following a referral of the case to the Court of Appeal by the CCRC.  Obviously currently we are some way from that happening.  If leave is given I believe the evidence would be very helpful to the defence case.  It would now be possible seriously to weaken Julie Mugford's credibility as a witness, in a way which would not have been possible in 2002.

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« Reply #70 on: September 10, 2012, 08:46:PM »
With respect I think this is a misreading of the situation. Julie repeated what Jeremy told her and her statement runs as a resume of her life with him for the two years she had known him. Was there ever an occasion when Julie saw Jeremy's relatives privately-I very much doubt it as she was busy with teaching practice and they were hardly likely to bad-mouth Jeremy to his face in Julie's company. The five weeks following the murders Julie was with Jeremy and her friends at various locations as they travelled,ate out and made preparations for the funerals.

As for Julie being dim or words to that effect,I can assure you that Northern grammar schools in the 1980s following the O Level curriculum were no push-over,and Altrincham Grammar School for Girls was and still is placed in the higher echelons of those elite schools. Julie would have been pushed by her teachers and would have received an education of a very high standard.

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« Reply #71 on: September 10, 2012, 08:57:PM »
With respect I think this is a misreading of the situation. Julie repeated what Jeremy told her and her statement runs as a resume of her life with him for the two years she had known him. Was there ever an occasion when Julie saw Jeremy's relatives privately-I very much doubt it as she was busy with teaching practice and they were hardly likely to bad-mouth Jeremy to his face in Julie's company. The five weeks following the murders Julie was with Jeremy and her friends at various locations as they travelled,ate out and made preparations for the funerals.

As for Julie being dim or words to that effect,I can assure you that Northern grammar schools in the 1980s following the O Level curriculum were no push-over,and Altrincham Grammar School for Girls was and still is placed in the higher echelons of those elite schools. Julie would have been pushed by her teachers and would have received an education of a very high standard.

We only have her word of what Jeremy supposedly told her, there is no concrete evidence that such conversations ever took place. Unless you can prove it of course, can you?

Sorry Steve, but her education has nothing to do with anything, has it?  :) :) :) :)


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« Reply #72 on: September 10, 2012, 09:03:PM »
We only have her word of what Jeremy supposedly told her, there is no concrete evidence that such conversations ever took place. Unless you can prove it of course, can you?

Sorry Steve, but her education has nothing to do with anything, has it?  :) :) :) :)

To suggest that Julie had "nothing between the ears" is insulting:it's insulting to teachers,it doesn't add anything to the debate and is just plain wrong.

As for Julie's statement,she does mention that a glove came off in the fight with Nevill,which I'm not sure was ever released to the press,along with Jeremy's sustained wish to do away with his family  mentioned in various contexts to witnesses from December 1984,who I put to you,cannot all be lying.
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« Reply #73 on: September 10, 2012, 09:10:PM »
To suggest that Julie had "nothing between the ears" is insulting:it's insulting to teachers,it doesn't add anything to the debate and is just plain wrong.

As for Julie's statement,she does mention that a glove came off in the fight with Nevill,which I'm not sure was ever released to the press,along with Jeremy's sustained wish to do away with his family  mentioned in various contexts to witnesses from December 1984,who I put to you,cannot all be lying.

Steve I have not suggested that all. Show me in my post where i am supposed to have suggested Julie had nothing between the ears please?

I am merely suggesting to you, that her education had nothing to do with the case what so ever.  Her education did not stop her from burglary, cheque fraud and taking drugs.

Where is it documented that a glove came off?  :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #74 on: September 10, 2012, 09:34:PM »
Steve I have not suggested that all. Show me in my post where i am supposed to have suggested Julie had nothing between the ears please?

I am merely suggesting to you, that her education had nothing to do with the case what so ever.  Her education did not stop her from burglary, cheque fraud and taking drugs.

Where is it documented that a glove came off?  :) :) :) :)

#67 used words to that effect. I was answering a variety of points in one thread and whoever alleged it is wrong. Julie vouchsafed that a glove came off in the fight with Nevill which if made up,Julie was taking a risk as she had no way of knowing whether forensics could have verified this or not.
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