As the forum may not exist shortly i will post a thought or two.The forum has spilled out into issues that the forum is supposed to offer . Far too much wasted space has been allowed to debate the red forum, these posts and threads should have been locked or removed much earlier.Many members have yet to post ,some of these members joined quite some time ago, as yet we do not know their views, mike if you read this post my input for what its worth is not to close the forum , but instead freeze it pending a new formula that works to encourage these members to begin posting, ending the forum will be seen as a victory for Lamberton, the mods could have stopped a lot of this trouble much earlier, As i see it Jeremy Bamber is most likely never going to be released , its down to you mike if your faith in the truth is stronger to resist closing the forum,its your choice mike its your forum if one member believes justice has not being served that view is worth its weight in gold.