How police pulled off the greatest deception of all regarding photo's of bible..

[mertol22]

There is a little issue, it may /may not have surfaced before, if it was jeremy he should have cut all the phone lines or made them unuseable , blamed sheila for it, gone home travelled as normal to work and take it from there, jeremy was no qualified doctor he could not confirm any death, one hell of a gamble, the victims could have had tiny traces of life still, but not enough strength to get upright and open doors but could get to a phone just. Sheila heard voices that the world was wrong and had to be put right, what had to be put right.

[Steve_uk]

There is a little issue, it may /may not have surfaced before, if it was jeremy he should have cut all the phone lines or made them unuseable , blamed sheila for it, gone home travelled as normal to work and take it from there, jeremy was no qualified doctor he could not confirm any death, one hell of a gamble, the victims could have had tiny traces of life still, but not enough strength to get upright and open doors but could get to a phone just. Sheila heard voices that the world was wrong and had to be put right, what had to be put right.

He did his best mertol22. He removed the telephone from the master bedroom and it was strange that the cordless telephone wasn't working. The telephone call doesn't add up,neither does the two shots in Sheila,but then how was one to know how many .22 anschutz bullets it takes to kill..

[mike tesko]

Which now brings me back to the photographs contained in the COURT ALBUM (50), and there corresponding photographic numbers as contained in the MASTER COPY ALBUM (223)?

Lets just see what photo' numbers for pictures 23, 27 and 32 were / are within both of the aforementioned albums:-


COURT ALBUM (23) - (59) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (24) - (62) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (25) - (63) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (26) - (64) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (27) - (68) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (28) - (68A) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (29) - (69) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (30) - (70) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (31) - (71) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (32) - (72) MASTER COPY ALBUM...

Compared to the same numbered photographs contained in the MASTER COPY ALBUM (223) as opposed to the COURT ALBUM (5):-

MASTER COPY ALBUM (23) - (08) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (24) - (06) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (25) - (10) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (26) - (07) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (27) - (13) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (28) - (14) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (29) - (15) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (30) - (16) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (31) - (17) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (32) - (18) COURT ALBUM

Now, can anyone tell me (or educate me) which photograph numbers PC Bird was referring to when he testified, was he referring to the numbered sequence of photographs contained in the COURT ALBUM, or the MASTER COPY ALBUM, when he spoke about photographs 23 to 32, inclusive?

[maggie]

He did his best mertol22. He removed the telephone from the master bedroom and it was strange that the cordless telephone wasn't working. The telephone call doesn't add up,neither does the two shots in Sheila,but then how was one to know how many .22 anschutz bullets it takes to kill..

Steve you just make it up as you go along. You drag in any old rubbish youve read in books etc to prove your fixed point of view and you ignore everything  which diesn't fit in with your particular theory.

[mike tesko]

Which now brings me back to the photographs contained in the COURT ALBUM (50), and there corresponding photographic numbers as contained in the MASTER COPY ALBUM (223)?

Lets just see what photo' numbers for pictures 23, 27 and 32 were / are within both of the aforementioned albums:-


COURT ALBUM (23) - (59) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (24) - (62) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (25) - (63) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (26) - (64) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (27) - (68) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (28) - (68A) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (29) - (69) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (30) - (70) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (31) - (71) MASTER COPY ALBUM...
COURT ALBUM (32) - (72) MASTER COPY ALBUM...

Compared to the same numbered photographs contained in the MASTER COPY ALBUM (223) as opposed to the COURT ALBUM (5):-

MASTER COPY ALBUM (23) - (08) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (24) - (06) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (25) - (10) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (26) - (07) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (27) - (13) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (28) - (14) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (29) - (15) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (30) - (16) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (31) - (17) COURT ALBUM
MASTER COPY ALBUM (32) - (18) COURT ALBUM

Now, can anyone tell me (or educate me) which photograph numbers PC Bird was referring to when he testified, was he referring to the numbered sequence of photographs contained in the COURT ALBUM, or the MASTER COPY ALBUM, when he spoke about photographs 23 to 32, inclusive?

According to the evidence (as produced by PC Bird in the form of one of his photographic schedules) photograph number 10 (MASTER COPY ALBUM) was never part of the COURT ALBUM, so where does this fit in with PC Birds testimony during the trial:-



"Photograph 10 as shown in the above album must have been taken from the COURT ALBUM (50) which had a corresponding photograph number of 25 in the MASTER COPY ALBUM, but we do not know what corresponding number this photograph was in the SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM, because a schedule relating to the actual sequence of events they were recorded in has not yet (and probably never will be) produced"...

[andrea]

He took the phone in the kitchen off the hook, disabling all the phones in the house (they used the same phone line) the digital phone was found under magazines but was working.

[maggie]

Sorry I mean he is faking insanity..he must know something about it being a former neuroscience student.

Often when you're in it steve....you dont recognise it.  Wouldn't surprise me if he was some sort of paranoid scizophrenic. Hes at the right age to develop its full blown form. It was a dreadful tragedy for all who died and for him and his close family.  What it must be like to have to accept your child has done such a thing must be so incredibly dreadful, its beyond imagination.imo

[maggie]

He took the phone in the kitchen off the hook, disabling all the phones in the house (they used the same phone line) the digital phone was found under magazines but was working.

Steve the only fact in all this is that the digital phone was working.

[-Harters-]

Just throwing this out there, but I've had a hard time understanding why there are mirrored blood stains on the pages of the bible, we all assume that the bible has been closed and then opened, producing this mirrored effect.

Is it not possible, or even more likely, that the blood stains were caused by soaking through pages rather than being closed and opened? Meaning the bible photographed in the open position, is not at the same page it was found.

What do you think? It would also explain the blood stain on the top right page which should be on the top left, which it would be if you turned the page.

[mike tesko]

He took the phone in the kitchen off the hook, disabling all the phones in the house (they used the same phone line) the digital phone was found under magazines but was working.

Hang on a minute...

So, when DCI Harris contacted ACC Peter Simpson, and spent some 15 minutes using a land-line from the scene between 8:15 and 8:30am, which telephone did he use, and if he used the one in the kitchen then when PC Bird arrived later on to start taking his crime scene pictures in the kitchen, the telephone was not in the same position as it must have been in when the raid team first entered the premises - in other words, DCI Harris stage managed the round finger dial phone on the kitchen worktop with its handset off its cradle (do you not agree)?

[vidvic]

Steve the only fact in all this is that the digital phone was working.

True. There was nothing wrong with it. Makes you wonder why then was the bedroom phone moved to the kitchen???

[andrea]

Steve the only fact in all this is that the digital phone was working.

The kitchen phone was off the hook, thereby disabling all other phones in the house. Fact.

[Patti]

True. There was nothing wrong with it. Makes you wonder why then was the bedroom phone moved to the kitchen???

Hi Vic. Hope you are well. We don't know if the phone that was found under the magazines worked correctly, we only have B. Wilson's saying she plugged it in and it worked. There could of course been a fault with it, it was never tested by the police.  Also, Jeremy did not tell BW that it was broken....I think it was the other lady...I forget her name, the house keeper...JB? Senior moment, had loads of those today. 

[vidvic]

How many witnesses do you need to believe the phone was working?

[maggie]

The kitchen phone was off the hook, thereby disabling all other phones in the house. Fact.

Yes there are photos showing the white phone in the kitchen was off the hook....but steve said Jeremy took it off the hook....that is not fact, it's supposition.