No evidence Sheila was photo'd until after rifle was photograped at window (23).

[mike tesko]

Court which tried and convicted JEREMY was decieved regarding this matter - a deliberate deception which is capable of rendering these convictions unsafe...

[mike tesko]

Court which tried and convicted JEREMY was decieved regarding this matter - a deliberate deception which is capable of rendering these convictions unsafe...

Sworn testimony given by PC Bird during trial about the order certain phographs were taken in ( 23, 27 and 32) was very misleading and not supported by any disclosed or exhibited schedules - it turns out that the rifle photo'd at the window (23)  was moved from there onto Sheila's body in time for PC Bird to photo it on Shrila's body as per 27, to 32...

[Patti]

Sworn testimony given by PC Bird during trial about the order certain phographs were taken in ( 23, 27 and 32) was very misleading and not supported by any disclosed or exhibited schedules - it turns out that the rifle photo'd at the window (23)  was moved from there onto Sheila's body in time for PC Bird to photo it on Shrila's body as per 27, to 32...

Morning Mike

Bird claims to have taken the photo's in the main bedroom, then taken photo's on the landing, which showed the gun at the window. What the court did not pick up on was the fact he was called back to take more photo's of Sheila/main bedroom. This was in the transcripts. So the rifle had been moved and placed back on her body, to me there is no doubt about that. But, what numbers are they?

We have index number 25 to 38 taken in the main bedroom.  The 2nd lot of photo's that were taken was just before the photo's taken of the dining room. 

[lookout]

Because the police weren't altogether truthful about their findings and overall evidence,,,is it any wonder that there is so much suspicion on how they conducted themselves and orchestrated the whole of the crime scene.
The house looked as though there'd been a vandal attack by the time the raid team had finished,,,and what I see in the photographs,is a complete lack of respect for the deceased and also for the inside of the property itself.  How anyone can work in such a disorganised fashion,,and who are supposed to be trained professionals,,,I don't know.
Then to give the relatives carte-blanche to " physically " help police with enquiries has to be the last straw in this bungled scene known as an investigation. 

[mike tesko]

The rifle photographed at the bedroom window (23) was never photographed on Sheila's body beforehand - only after 23 had been taken (see the photographic schedules produced by PC Bird for confirmation of this). What this means is that any photographs shown to the jury which had the rifle on Sheila's body, wete misused because such photographs could only have been stage managed by the police, yet the jury were fooled into accepting that what they were being  show n had been untouched images which depicted how the raod team had found Sheila's body in the bedroom, when all along  , the images relied upon had been stage manahed by police aftet photograph 23 had been taken...

The rifle which was photographed leaning up against thr bedtoom window in 23, could not have been on Sheila's body when photograph 23 was taken, a police officer had to pick the rifle up from the window at some point after 23 was taken, and he had to physically place the rifle on Sheila's body and stage manage her body with the displaced rife upon it, and then get PC Bird to take photographs 27 to 32...

[mike tesko]

It now becomes apparent why police cut up the relatove strips of photographic  negatives around the time photograph 23  was taken which places the rifle at the bedroom window before police put it on Sheila's body?

[vidvic]

So, are you definitely saying the police killed Sheila?

[vidvic]

So, to get this straight, after 'barking like a dog' for a couple of hours, she shot herself in the kitchen, collapsed, then woke up, picked up the rifle, evaded the police, entered the bedroom, placed the gun down, and was then shot through the neck a 2nd time by the police? On the bed? And you have a photo of her in the interim time between shots, on the bed, which to your knowledge has never been seen by McKay, but is on an 'enigma' system, which you've not tried to access throughout the 10 years or so you've had it?

[mike tesko]

So, are you definitely saying the police killed Sheila?

There is now a trail of evidence ready for Jeremy's legal team to rely upon to confirm that PC Bird  and DI Cook, deliberately falsified photohraphic records to suggest that photographs 27 to 32 were taken before 23, and that Cook thn removed  the  rifle from Sheila's body and placed it against the window, but in actial fact Cook took the rifle from the bedroom window and put the rifle onto Sheila's body, and then PC Bird took photographs, 27  to 32..

Yes, police shot and killed Sheila whilst moving rifle from window onto her body...

[Bridget]

There is now a trail of evidence ready for Jeremy's legal team to rely upon to confirm that PC Bird  and DI Cook, deliberately falsified photohraphic records to suggest that photographs 27 to 32 were taken before 23, and that Cook thn removed  the  rifle from Sheila's body and placed it against the window, but in actial fact Cook took the rifle from the bedroom window and put the rifle onto Sheila's body, and then PC Bird took photographs, 27  to 32..

Yes, police shot and killed Sheila whilst moving rifle from window onto her body...

No there isn't. All of the 'schedules' you've posted are just lists of the 50 photos in the order they appeared in the court album, which was not in chronological order, they prove nothing.

[-Harters-]

There is now a trail of evidence ready for Jeremy's legal team to rely upon to confirm that PC Bird  and DI Cook, deliberately falsified photohraphic records to suggest that photographs 27 to 32 were taken before 23, and that Cook thn removed  the  rifle from Sheila's body and placed it against the window, but in actial fact Cook took the rifle from the bedroom window and put the rifle onto Sheila's body, and then PC Bird took photographs, 27  to 32..

Yes, police shot and killed Sheila whilst moving rifle from window onto her body...

Well that's clearly fantastical, the negatives sequence will clearly show the order photographs were taken in, I strongly suspect that they will correlate to the order described by PC Bird.

I suspect that the photograph on this forum labelled 23 was taken at positions L-M on the schedule below, after the rifle had been removed, with the photographs showing the rifle on top of Sheila being taken prior to this, at position B on the schedule below.

There isn't even an argument to be had here, the negatives will categorically indicate the sequence.

[Steve_uk]

There is now a trail of evidence ready for Jeremy's legal team to rely upon to confirm that PC Bird  and DI Cook, deliberately falsified photohraphic records to suggest that photographs 27 to 32 were taken before 23, and that Cook thn removed  the  rifle from Sheila's body and placed it against the window, but in actial fact Cook took the rifle from the bedroom window and put the rifle onto Sheila's body, and then PC Bird took photographs, 27  to 32..

Yes, police shot and killed Sheila whilst moving rifle from window onto her body...

I would be willing to accept if the rumour had gone around the house that there was a young woman's body upstairs who had killed her family and then killed herself that the Police might have moved the rifle adjacent to Sheila's body slightly to check for a pulse or fingerprints,but of course it is unacceptable for the rifle to be moved to the window and then replaced by the body. Didn't Michael Gradwell,formerly of the Lancashire Police acknowledge that this may have happened,along with PC Bewes,but that it didn't materially affect the outcome of the case?

Could you explain the timeline of the events as regards the moving of the rifle,the taking of the photographs,the CPR attempt,the fingerprinting,the arrival of the Police surgeon. Was the rifle put by the window the same window that WPC Jeapes saw what she thought was a rifle from outside and was this ever explained?

[Bridget]

Well that's clearly fantastical, the negatives sequence will clearly show the order photographs were taken in, I strongly suspect that they will correlate to the order described by PC Bird.

I suspect that the photograph on this forum labelled 23 was taken at positions L-M on the schedule below, after the rifle had been removed, with the photographs showing the rifle on top of Sheila being taken prior to this, at position B on the schedule below.

There isn't even an argument to be had here, the negatives will categorically indicate the sequence.

To be fair, from Bird's evidence it seems more likely that 23 was taken at C, with photos 27 and 32 having been taken at B. Patti has quite rightly asked what photos were taken at L, and that is a good question I think. What seems clear though, is that the photos taken at L were not used in 50 photos in the green court album. Perhaps they were photos of cartridges or something.

[grahameb]

So, to get this straight, after 'barking like a dog' for a couple of hours, she shot herself in the kitchen, collapsed, then woke up, picked up the rifle, evaded the police, entered the bedroom, placed the gun down, and was then shot through the neck a 2nd time by the police? On the bed? And you have a photo of her in the interim time between shots, on the bed, which to your knowledge has never been seen by McKay, but is on an 'enigma' system, which you've not tried to access throughout the 10 years or so you've had it?

If the dog was barking. Why was it barking? Since there was according to the police (who themselves were very quiet according to that moe chappie) no movement in the house because all were dead. Dogs surely bark at a disturbance? What was disturbing the dog I wonder?

[mike tesko]

No there isn't. All of the 'schedules' you've posted are just lists of the 50 photos in the order they appeared in the court album, which was not in chronological order, they prove nothing.

No, you are wrong again, big time. There were only 50 photographs in the "COURT ALBUM",  but the STOKENCHURCH registry schedule lists hundreds all in sequence. In the absence of any other chronological schedule, the Stokenchurch one has to be regarded as key. The 50 court album photographs are listed and reproduced exactly in sequenxe within the Stokenchurch schedule - photo's 23, 27 to 32 were taken in that order, your counter argument is simply rubbish. The only way you, or anybody else can or could undermine what I have exposed would be to produce a different chronological schedule (like the Stokenchurch one) showing how photographs 27 to 32 were taken before 23, which neither you, nor anybody else can ever produce, because one like that does not exist...