Jeremy's Alibi...

[Roch]

like a servant he paid her off with £400 and thought that he could keep her sweet in the future with his money and the threat of her being an accessory to murder.

Was he also known for being a cheapskate?  Serious question. 

[lookout]

He may be Susan. I suppose it is because of the way he has treated a few friends of mine. I know you can excuse him on several counts. But these friends have given their best for him. That is all I am preparared to say about it.

Grahame,,he'll have changed a lot now. Got more sense than an obnoxious 24 year old,as 24 year olds go.
I would have loved to have taken on Sheila though,,as a " daughter " just to prove that you can undo the tangle that they're in. I did with a g/daughter of mine who was going down the same road as Sheila,,except it was a hormonal imbalance as opposed to schizophrenia,but nevertheless a very distressing time for all.

[maggie]

He may be Susan. I suppose it is because of the way he has treated a few friends of mine. I know you can excuse him on several counts. But these friends have given their best for him. That is all I am preparared to say about it.

I know Grahame but at the same time, Jeremy has his hands tied by some of the people he relies on and it must be appallingly difficult for him.  He is powerless in everyway and being locked up for 27 years must make it pretty hard to see the wood for the concrete, I would think.  I presume  these are the several counts you excuse him on.

[mertol22]

Its starting to get a shade pathetic and taking the fluid all this jeremy was this , and this and also this, i take it these posters know him well prior to the  events and now, next we will be hearing after jeremy returned home from WHF on the 7th aug , he was tired and hungary so he prepared himself a good rich hearty english breakfast with not one but two good size T G Green tea mugs of freshly brewed tea and it was a good meal at that, must be the good weather or the olympics.

[maggie]

Its starting to get a shade pathetic and taking the fluid all this jeremy was this , and this and also this, i take it these posters know him well prior to the  events and now, next we will be hearing after jeremy returned home from WHF on the 7th aug , he was tired and hungary so he prepared himself a good rich hearty english breakfast with not one but two good size T G Green tea mugs of freshly brewed tea and it was a good meal at that, must be the good weather or the olympics.

Hi Mertol, I do agree, most of us really have no idea about Jeremy, what he was/is like, only people with firsthand experience or maybe close friends who have known him would have any true idea.  After a case like this so many people suddenly claim to have known the person and all have anecdotes either for or against depending on their own theories about the crime. As petey expressed and also many others have raised we really do have to acknowledge in our post when it is supposition or reasoning as opposed to fact when speaking about any of the people involved in this crime.

Mertol, Jeremy had 4 slices of bacon, 2 sausages and a slice of fried bread, all washed down with 2 cups of tea, when he returned to the cottage and never offered the police any,  just shows how greedy he was................   (joke imho!)

[mertol22]

Hi maggie i had a cracker cooked breakfast this morning in Scunthorpe with a tea for £2.95  jeremy did right not giving them anything farm work is hard its hard in the country no freeloaders there at one with nature if you will.

[maggie]

Hi maggie i had a cracker cooked breakfast this morning in Scunthorpe with a tea for £2.95  jeremy did right not giving them anything farm work is hard its hard in the country no freeloaders there at one with nature if you will.

Hi Metol,......nothing like a cooked breakfast on a cold and frosty August morning...£2.95 sounds like value.

[mertol22]

they have big mugs in the country maggie bit bigger than mine.

[maggie]

they have big mugs in the country maggie bit bigger than mine.

They have a man sized mug Mertol.....

[grahameb]

Grahame,,he'll have changed a lot now. Got more sense than an obnoxious 24 year old,as 24 year olds go.
I would have loved to have taken on Sheila though,,as a " daughter " just to prove that you can undo the tangle that they're in. I did with a g/daughter of mine who was going down the same road as Sheila,,except it was a hormonal imbalance as opposed to schizophrenia,but nevertheless a very distressing time for all.

I'm actually talking about recently lookout. Last year in fact.

[grahameb]

I know Grahame but at the same time, Jeremy has his hands tied by some of the people he relies on and it must be appallingly difficult for him.  He is powerless in everyway and being locked up for 27 years must make it pretty hard to see the wood for the concrete, I would think.  I presume  these are the several counts you excuse him on.

Yes. But its just something that annoys me about him. I might be the same if my world only consisted of 4 walls for 28 years?

[maggie]

Yes. But its just something that annoys me about him. I might be the same if my world only consisted of 4 walls for 28 years?

It's a hard one to judge Grahame and I suppose no one will really know the answer unless he is released and we all see what happens then. Personally, I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt, what a dreadful thing to happen to an (imo) innocent man.

[susan]

Hi Grahame  I can't comment at all on Jeremy and I am trying to decide if being institutionalized for 27 years will change you as a person.  I have no doubt he has felt let down and it will be difficult for him to trust people and he is relying on other people so badly he may allow them to "brain wash" him and hurt the people who have done so much for him like Mike.  I can make no excuses for him on that count as Mike has done more for him than anyone and hurting Mike in my opinion is unforgivable.  I am now starting to wonder if Jeremy is easily lead by other people. I did read statements from people who knew him before he was sent to prison that said he was a kind generous person.

[mertol22]

Yes. But its just something that annoys me about him. I might be the same if my world only consisted of 4 walls for 28 years?

As i see it grahame most of the views on jeremy are contained at a point in time, to put my chips on the table  how on earth he has not gone insane i will never know sometimes i feel the death penalty is more humane.

[Jane]

Hi Grahame  I can't comment at all on Jeremy and I am trying to decide if being institutionalized for 27 years will change you as a person.  I have no doubt he has felt let down and it will be difficult for him to trust people and he is relying on other people so badly he may allow them to "brain wash" him and hurt the people who have done so much for him like Mike.  I can make no excuses for him on that count as Mike has done more for him than anyone and hurting Mike in my opinion is unforgivable.  I am now starting to wonder if Jeremy is easily lead by other people. I did read statements from people who knew him before he was sent to prison that said he was a kind generous person.

Susan, hi. I imagine that it goes without saying that during the last 27 years his core values will have changed beyond recognition and the things which were important to him in 1985 are unlikely to be relevant now, but the same could be said for all of us who have experienced a learning curve.

Your point about the possibilty of him being easily lead is a good one. It may well be that he had been groomed to be a people pleaser. SOME parents by adoption see the need to present perfect children to the world as examples of their good parenting, so the child is educated into treating others' needs as taking precedence over their own, from where it's only a very small step from the belief that others' needs are more important, which eradicates the child's sense of self. If this type of upbringing was responsible for the adult Jeremy, I imagine that when his life became decimated by the guilty verdict his confidence would have been shattered to the point where any opinion he voiced was that of the last person who convinced him that they were on his side.