Lies told about state of blood (SC) - easily disproved...

[mike tesko]

So..he says 23 was the 3rd photo taken after leaving the main bedroom. Why don't you think that's true?

Somebody's not telling the truth, either Bird is / has lied, or the schedule produced by COLP is a false document:-




"Why would there be such a glaring discrepancy between when PC Bird testified that he took photograph 23, and the schedule produced by COLP (1991) which states he took photograph 23 from the vantage point of the middle landing on the main stairs showing the rifle at the bedroom window, before he took pictures of the same rifle on Sheila's body"?

[Bridget]

Somebody's not telling the truth, either Bird is / has lied, or the schedule produced by COLP is a false document:-

"Why would there be such a glaring discrepancy between when PC Bird testified that he took photograph 23, and the schedule produced by COLP (1991) which states he took photograph 23 from the vantage point of the middle landing on the main stairs showing the rifle at the bedroom window, before he took pictures of the same rifle on Sheila's body"?

It doesn't state that at all, it's just an index of the court album. He specifically says in his evidence that the photos are not in chronological order.

[mike tesko]

It doesn't state that at all, it's just an index of the court album. He specifically says in his evidence that the photos are not in chronological order.

"You need to study what he says in his transcript about all the photographs he took in the main bedroom before he took 23, which he says was taken after he came out of the bedroom - it was the third photograph after he came out of there (unless you are trying to argue he never said that)"?



He had finished taking all his photographs in the main bedroom and he came out onto the landing and photograph 23 was the third picture he took after he came out of the bedroom, yet the schedule does not show that he took any photographs inside the bedroom before he took photograph 23 - do you comprehend?

[Bridget]

"You need to study what he says in his transcript about all the photographs he took in the main bedroom before he took 23, which he says was taken after he came out of the bedroom - it was the third photograph after he came out of there (unless you are trying to argue he never said that)"?

No he did say that, but I'm missing what your point is.

[mike tesko]

No he did say that, but I'm missing what your point is.

My point is a relatively simple but effective one - we have an INDEX for the 50 "COURT ALBUM" photographs, a schedule produced by COLP as part of its 1991 investigation, which shows that no photographs were taken showing any views inside the main bedroom, before photographs 23 was taken, which contradicts what PC Bird said in his testimony during the trial in October 1986, where he claims he took all his photographs inside the main bedroom before he took photograph 23 from the vantage point of the middle landing on the main stairs - how can / could such a major discrepancy occur between both sources, kif PC Bird was / is telling the truth, and the COLP investigation into these matters was an honest one?

[Bridget]

My point is a relatively simple but effective one - we have an INDEX for the 50 "COURT ALBUM" photographs, a schedule produced by COLP as part of its 1991 investigation, which shows that no photographs were taken showing any views inside the main bedroom, before photographs 23 was taken, which contradicts what PC Bird said in his testimony during the trial in October 1986, where he claims he took all his photographs inside the main bedroom before he took photograph 23 from the vantage point of the middle landing on the main stairs - how can / could such a major discrepancy occur between both sources, kif PC Bird was / is telling the truth, and the COLP investigation into these matters was an honest one?

That document you keep posting is not a chronological schedule, it's just an index to the court album. Are you posting the right thing?

[grahameb]

We can argue about semantics but I accept your correction. The wider point was that Jeremy felt abandoned by his parents when they sent him to Gresham's at a time when he may most have needed their love. As Sheila is reported as saying,she and her brother had all the trappings of childhood with presents at birthdays and Christmas but no hugs or outward signs of affection,which is why ultimately Jeremy could feel no remorse for what he did.

It must be pointed out that Jeremy's "real" father has abandoned him. This I will never do. I will never abandon my own children. What a discusting excuse for a man he is. To abandon your own son.

[mike tesko]

That document you keep posting is not a chronological schedule, it's just an index to the court album. Are you posting the right thing?

There is no true chronological schedule showing when all 581 photographs were taken, Essex police refuse to disclose it - it's withheld under pii, but I do have another schedule which relates to the so called (wrongly named) "MASTER COPY ALBUM" (223) which also gives the corresponding photographs contained in the "COURT ALBUM" (50), which is worthless without the full schedule relating to the (581) photographs contained in the "SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM"...

[mike tesko]

That document you keep posting is not a chronological schedule, it's just an index to the court album. Are you posting the right thing?

"Bingo"...





"So, now all you need to do, is compare what PC Bird said during his trial testimony, and see if you can make any sense or head nor tail of his evidence"?

An index to the 50 photographs contained in the "COURT ALBUM" available to the jury...

What more do I need to say?

However...

it is clear from reference to this index of the 50 "COURT ALBUM" photographs (reproduced, above), that PC Bird did not take any pictures of Sheila in the bedroom, until after he took photographs 23 which shows the rifle leaning up against the bedroom window, and that the very first picture he took with Sheila in it, was photographs 26, onwards...

[Alias]

The man you are all describing is a monster who has convinced himself over the course of twenty seven years when everyone else has been getting on with their lives that he hasn't done it. Do you seriously expect me to believe that Jeremy Bamber talks to his victims inside his head from his prison cell every day and takes solace from the maxims of his father,a man who was not his real father and who was disappointed at the very least in him because he did not fit into his idea of a son?It's high time Jeremy came clean in this case and admitted that he went through a phase as a young man bordering on sociopathy towards his adopted family,who may well for a man of limited intellect been difficult to live with. He should apologize to Colin and the other relatives and apologize to the criminal justice system for wasting so much Police time. He won't yet because he still has too much to lose and is clinging on in the vain hope that sometimes convictions are quashed when a guilty man persists in maintaining his innocence,such as the wife who asked by her husband to write suicide notes and was found a short time later hanging by the neck in the family garage.

You don´t have children to fit into your idea of how they should be! You accept and love your children no matter how they turn out! Outrageous - I hope that was not the case, but maybe it was.

And while I am stopping by, Bridget, you cannot be serrious about that rifle not being moved - it is so obvious! I think you know it too.

[Bridget]

"Bingo"...


"So, now all you need to do, is compare what PC Bird said during his trial testimony, and see if you can make any sense or head nor tail of his evidence"?

An index to the 50 photographs contained in the "COURT ALBUM" available to the jury...

What more do I need to say?

However...

it is clear from reference to this index of the 50 "COURT ALBUM" photographs (reproduced, above), that PC Bird did not take any pictures of Sheila in the bedroom, until after he took photographs 23 which shows the rifle leaning up against the bedroom window, and that the very first picture he took with Sheila in it, was photographs 26, onwards...

The index is not in chronological order. In his evidence he said that photograph 23 was taken after the photos taken in the main bedroom, which as you state, were 26 through to 40 something. You can of course be of the opinion that he's lying, but this index does nothing to support that view.

[Bridget]

You don´t have children to fit into your idea of how they should be! You accept and love your children no matter how they turn out! Outrageous - I hope that was not the case, but maybe it was.

And while I am stopping by, Bridget, you cannot be serrious about that rifle not being moved - it is so obvious! I think you know it too.

Of course I'm serious.

[mike tesko]

The index is not in chronological order. In his evidence he said that photograph 23 was taken after the photos taken in the main bedroom, which as you state, were 26 through to 40 something. You can of course be of the opinion that he's lying, but this index does nothing to support that view.

You are losing the plot, the point I am making is that if PC Bird told the truth when he testified, why did COLP produce this schedule of the 50 "COURT ALBUM" photographs showing that he took no such photographs of Sheila at all in the bedroom, until after he took photograph 23?  Why would or how could an investigating force which was looking into these matters, make such a huge blunder about the order in which PC Bird took his photographs? How could they produce a schedule (above) which suggests that he took photograph 23 first, then he took pictures of Sheila in the bedroom?

Something is very wrong here, somebodies lying and falsifying evidence, you decide who that someone is, PC Bird, cannot be telling the truth, if the index for the 50 "COURT ALBUM" which was produced by COLP is accurate, or vice versa...

If you can't or don't understand what I am talking about, then all I can say is there is no hope for you, since nothing could be any clearer not even to a child at primary school...

[mike tesko]

"Bingo"...





"So, now all you need to do, is compare what PC Bird said during his trial testimony, and see if you can make any sense or head nor tail of his evidence"?

An index to the 50 photographs contained in the "COURT ALBUM" available to the jury...

I invite anyone to prove that PC Bird took any photographs of Sheila in the bedroom, before he took photograph 23, by reference to this schedule:-

If anyone succeeds, please let me and everybody else know as soon as possible (I look forward to never hearing from anybody at all, not ever, because you can't build a fantasy into the detail of this indexed schedule to make it fit in with the claim that PC Bird took pictures of Sheila in the main bedroom before he took photograph 23

[Bridget]

You are losing the plot, the point I am making is that if PC Bird told the truth when he testified, why did COLP produce this schedule of the 50 "COURT ALBUM" photographs showing that he took no such photographs of Sheila at all in the bedroom, until after he took photograph 23?  Why would or how could an investigating force which was looking into these matters, make such a huge blunder about the order in which PC Bird took his photographs? How could they produce a schedule (above) which suggests that he took photograph 23 first, then he took pictures of Sheila in the bedroom?

Something is very wrong here, somebodies lying and falsifying evidence, you decide who that someone is, PC Bird, cannot be telling the truth, if the index for the 50 "COURT ALBUM" which was produced by COLP is accurate, or vice versa...

If you can't or don't understand what I am talking about, then all I can say is there is no hope for you, since nothing could be any clearer not even to a child at primary school...

I probably am losing the plot...

The thing you keep calling the COLP schedule does not show the order the photographs were taken in, it shows the order they were included in the court album, which we know is not the order in which they were taken. You cannot therefore look at the COLP 'schedule' and determine what order the photos were taken in.