Lies told about state of blood (SC) - easily disproved...

[andrea]

Roch the Boutflour and Eaton relatives have expressed concern regarding their own safety should Jeremy Bamber be released. I just can't envisage a scenario where his conviction is ruled as unsafe,because you couldn't have Jeremy wandering around Winnipeg..the only end I can see to this is for the government to build a facility on a remote Scottish island similar to the Anders Behring Breivik installation they are building in Norway which might afford Jeremy a modicum of dignity free from the danger of attack in his old age.

Is that whats happening in Norway? theyre building a facility just for Breivik ?

[susan]

steve you are going to have the Scots declaring war on England if you keep suggesting all catA prisoners are sent to a Scottish Island and I told you before when Scottland get their Independence they will tell you where to go with your ridiculous plan.

[Steve_uk]

steve may I just ask you a simple question.  You are in no doubt Jeremy Bamber is guilty.  He is in prison for life for the crimes.  Your point on the forum is not to prove his guilt as the Court did that so who are you on here defending and why do you find it necessay to do this.

Susan I am on the forum to discuss the Jeremy Bamber case and if you can't handle my argumentation that is your "lookout". I have accessed as much information as I can from the internet and other sources and am grateful to members here for providing documentation and photographs which I have done my best to study and I await further sources as promised by Mike.

I did not come here parti pris as alleged by several members and have studied the layout of the farm and debated the issue of whether Sheila was shot in the kitchen,the telephone call from Nevill,the rifle evidence and the Andrew Hunter book draft,which supports a theory of the silencer being used on the first shot. As I say I am still looking through the evidence;all I would say is that at the present time I am convinced beyond reasonable doubt that Jeremy Bamber is the killer.

[grahameb]

Grahame I think you referred to the wrong photographs but if you mean those taken at the funeral you have a point and who knows if DS Stan Jones put the frighteners on Julie with information that he had gleaned from the relatives. Julie knew that she had a fine balancing act to perform at the trial to put enough distance between herself and Jeremy so as not to make her an accessory after the fact,and yet to be perceived as close enough to him to be a credible witness. I reiterate unless and until the Jeremy supporters can rubbish Julie's evidence with hard facts then the authorities will not risk letting a 5 times convicted murderer out of prison.

FYI JM's testimony is just that. JM's testimony. She has absolutely nothing and no one to back up her story. And without the silencer evidence her words would have meant just her word against Jeremy's, period.
Similarly the siencer evidence without her testimony would amount to nothing. Unfortunately the silencer evidence is tainted as well. How? Well, it was found by "the relatives". It was backed up by "the relatives". Moreover they handled this "evidence" thus making it unfit for forensic examination.


So what do we have? What two pieces of evidence convicted Jeremy? (1) JM's evidence. A proven liar. Also her statement contained things that were untrue. (2) A contaminated silencer. One would be forgiven in asking how Jeremy Bamber was convicted on such corrupted evidence that that? That is the sum of my whole contention with the case against Jeremy Bamber. An entirely legal contention. If he did it I would have expected a greater proof of evidence than what was levelled against him. But by a clever bit of wrangling with the tiniest bit of so called evidence that they did have they managed to get him convicted and locked up for 28 years so far. When this man may indeed be innocent of that crime.

And furthermore if people are truly interested in justice they would not spend all their time trying to convince people that JB is guilty if there was any doubt in the first place. Moreover I would have thought that even if there was the slightest chance of evidence being manipulated (and there is a very big chance that in this particular case it has been) then if these people are really concerned about justice then they would fairly examine all these things and quite frankly if these people are really convinced that he is guilty, then why are they here. All they need to do is sit back and do nothing.

ps: I referred to the right link and photo numbers.

[susan]

Grahame you are forgetting steve told us Jeremy washed the bike in between flicking through the yellow pages for the police phone number oh and phoning Julie and of course having a shower destroying all his clothes.

[grahameb]

Grahame you are forgetting steve told us Jeremy washed the bike in between flicking through the yellow pages for the police phone number oh and phoning Julie and of course having a shower destroying all his clothes.

All speculation I'm afraid and all in his own fertive imagination. It was (ARE YOU LISTENING) discounted by the police FACT.

[Steve_uk]

Is that whats happening in Norway? theyre building a facility just for Breivik ?

Yes it's an adjunct to Ila Prison,Oslo.

[susan]

steve you are a comedian as well as a story teller.  Yes I can take anything you throw up  but as yet have not read one sentence that makes sense to me at all.  Carry on I am sure somebody will find your posts interesting.

[andrea]

Yes it's an adjunct to Ila Prison,Oslo.

Is that for his own safety then, steve?

They are quite lenient over there.

[maggie]

a man who was not his real father and who was disappointed at the very least in him because he did not fit into his idea of a son?

Steve, May I point out that a'real' father is the man who loves and provides for you and gives unconditional love, he is not the man who gives you up for adoption and turns his back on you at the time of your need...get your facts straight, the word you are looking for is 'natural' father, something quite different.
I accept that natural parents have to give up their children for many reasons and it isn't always an easy option, however to turn away and deny your son when he claims innocence as in this situation is something different altogether.

[Steve_uk]

So.......Julie knew that JB had executed his family,including 2 sleeping little boys.
If she really believed this,then how long do we think the sheer horror of it all would hit her and she should go to the police?
On the morning of the murders?
After a visit with a devastated Colin?
After viewing their bodies at the mortuary?
After the twins funeral?

Or after JB dumps her and takes up with another woman.

After hearing whispers that Jeremy was being blamed for the tragedy, she was surely worried as to what was going to be exposed regarding any previous criminal activities she and JB had undertaken.
Now,Julie has lost the man she loves,any inheritance that Im sure she hoped to benefit from and her dream of a teaching career now in jeopardy.

Now is when she decides to go to the police.

I think the loathing was incipient and was kindled by the benevolence of Colin towards Jeremy whom she knew had been the perpetrator. I'm sure we have all been in love at some stages of our lives and it's a moot point as to when love dissipates for a person and the motives behind it.

[Steve_uk]

steve you are a comedian as well as a story teller.  Yes I can take anything you throw up  but as yet have not read one sentence that makes sense to me at all.  Carry on I am sure somebody will find your posts interesting.

I may be a comedian at times on another site,but this is deadly serious if you'll pardon the pun. Isn't there an aphorism that "humour is no laughing matter".

[susan]

steve as usual you have completely lost me just put it down to me being up since 5 a.m.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, May I point out that a'real' father is the man who loves and provides for you and gives unconditional love, he is not the man who gives you up for adoption and turns his back on you at the time of your need...get your facts straight, the word you are looking for is 'natural' father, something quite different.
I accept that natural parents have to give up their children for many reasons and it isn't always an easy option, however to turn away and deny your son when he claims innocence as in this situation is something different altogether.

We can argue about semantics but I accept your correction. The wider point was that Jeremy felt abandoned by his parents when they sent him to Gresham's at a time when he may most have needed their love. As Sheila is reported as saying,she and her brother had all the trappings of childhood with presents at birthdays and Christmas but no hugs or outward signs of affection,which is why ultimately Jeremy could feel no remorse for what he did.

[lookout]

We can argue about semantics but I accept your correction. The wider point was that Jeremy felt abandoned by his parents when they sent him to Gresham's at a time when he may most have needed their love. As Sheila is reported as saying,she and her brother had all the trappings of childhood with presents at birthdays and Christmas but no hugs or outward signs of affection,which is why ultimately Jeremy could feel no remorse for what he did.

What did Jeremy do then Steve ?. And how.? And where's your evidence.? I don't mean a repetition of what's in some link or other,either.
Did not Sheila feel unhappy too.? Wasn't this the reason why she was expelled ?. Didn't she find " love " at the age of 17,with a farmhand.? Wasn't she forced,by her parents,to abort.? How do you think she felt then.?