Lies told about state of blood (SC) - easily disproved...

[Bridget]

Bridget,,I had notes from another source.

What source?

[lookout]

"Bingo"...

You have hit the nail on the head, so to speak...

They took pictures of the rifle on the body of Sheila Caffell, in the different positions, after PC Bird took picture 23 from the vantage point of the middle landing...

Jury were deliberately and falsely misled regarding these matters...

Convictions can't be safe, because of this very reason alone...

Mike,None of this was mentioned to the jury in 1986. The fact that Sheilas' bed hadn't been slept in,,,crime scene photos' showing that her body along with the gun,had been moved while photos' were being taken. No,,the conviction wasn't safe at all.

[Patti]

Bridget,,I had notes from another source.

Morning Lookout  :D :D :D :D  Are you OK? Whats the weather like your way...Sunny and windy here...No sign of any heated energy...lol 

[mike tesko]

"Bingo"...

You have hit the nail on the head, so to speak...

They took pictures of the rifle on the body of Sheila Caffell, in the different positions, after PC Bird took picture 23 from the vantage point of the middle landing...

Jury were deliberately and falsely misled regarding these matters...

Convictions can't be safe, because of this very reason alone...

We know Cook (the crook) removed the rifle from the body and placed it at the bedroom window in time for PC Bird to photograph it there, as shown in 23, but who the hell put it back on the body, in time for Bird to photograph it there in different positions, as shown in 27 and 32? Worse still - why were the jury wrongly told that the images of 27 and 32 showed exactky how the body of Sheila had been found with rifle and bible in attendance of the body, and that no-one moved or touched anything at all, until after PC Bird took all his photographs in the bedroom. However, we now know this not to be true, because the rifle was taken from the bedroom window and put back onto Sheila;'s body, after 23 was taken and police stage managed Sheila's body, took photographs 27 and 32 and presented this evidence to the court as evidence that Jeremy was responsible for stage managing Sheila's body...

What a fucking conspiracy these bastards have got away with for all these years...

My mate Jeremy has been in prison for all these years, when all along the police stage managed his sisters body, after they put the rifle onto her body, from the bedroom window (23) and the police refuse to provide any details about who put the rifle onto her body after photograph 23 was taken? Why do the police deliberately miss that bit out, why do they refuse to talk about or deal with who put the rifle back onto Sheila's body after photograph 23 was taken?

They refuse to talk about it, because that was the point / stage that a policeman took possession of the rifle from its position (23) of leaning up against the bedroom window, and placed it upon her body with the muzzle of the rifles barrel in different positions against her throat / neck, and her hands being applied around, or upon the trigger mechanism, shot Sheila under the chin and killed her...

Then...

PC Bird took pictures 27 and 32...

[lookout]

Morning Lookout  :D :D :D :D  Are you OK? Whats the weather like your way...Sunny and windy here...No sign of any heated energy...lol 

Morning Patti. Pretty close here, and still,,so we'll probably have a volley of a storm with no wind to take it away. Fabulously sunny first thing,as I had brekkie outside. Hey ho,it hasn't lasted.
Apart from that,,all's well,,hope you are.

[mike tesko]

Thanks for posting that, it confirms that the reference numbers on photos 27 and 32 are court album reference numbers, and that therefore the 'wet blood' picture which is a blow up from 27 was not an undisclosed photo.

No...

You are wrong again, the wet blood picture (which you now prefer to call it) was not disclosed as part of the court album - this image was contained in the other top secret album, which has the title " Senior Investigating Officers album", consisting of 581 pictures. Defence nor the court which tried these matters had access or knowledge of the existence of such another (third) album of photographs. The large blown up image of "the wet looking blood" was part of the "senior investigating officers album", which included other "blown up images" of wounds, and other body parts of victims, within it...

Putting this to one side for the moment, it should be clear to all and sundry that the court album which was presented for use by the jury contained images where the police had taken the rifle from the bedroom window (23) and placed it onto the body of Sheila (27 and 32) in different positions, and blamed Jeremy for doing that which the police themselves had done, and are responsible for doing, so that they could convict Jeremy for the murders, on the basis that he killed everyone including Sheila, and that he had stage managed Sheila's body to make it look like or appear as though she had taken her own life, when it turns out it was not him, and could not have been him who shot and killed Sheila, it was the police who did what they did, and they blamed Jeremy for doing what they did...

[jon]

On which photo Jon?

27

[Bridget]

You can put it to one side for as long as you like, but there's no getting away from the fact that the 'wet blood' picture is a blow up from picture 27, and picture 27 was in the court album.

Do you have the transcript of Bird's court evidence? Otherwise I don't see how you can know that picture 23 was taken before pictures 27 and 32. The index is clearly not in chronological order.

[mike tesko]

No...

You are wrong again, the wet blood picture (which you now prefer to call it) was not disclosed as part of the court album - this image was contained in the other top secret album, which has the title " Senior Investigating Officers album", consisting of 581 pictures. Defence nor the court which tried these matters had access or knowledge of the existence of such another (third) album of photographs. The large blown up image of "the wet looking blood" was part of the "senior investigating officers album", which included other "blown up images" of wounds, and other body parts of victims, within it...

Putting this to one side for the moment, it should be clear to all and sundry that the court album which was presented for use by the jury contained images where the police had taken the rifle from the bedroom window (23) and placed it onto the body of Sheila (27 and 32) in different positions, and blamed Jeremy for doing that which the police themselves had done, and are responsible for doing, so that they could convict Jeremy for the murders, on the basis that he killed everyone including Sheila, and that he had stage managed Sheila's body to make it look like or appear as though she had taken her own life, when it turns out it was not him, and could not have been him who shot and killed Sheila, it was the police who did what they did, and they blamed Jeremy for doing what they did...

Well, now that we know the truth about what actually took place, how can these convictions be regarded as being safe, and not only that / this, how can a man who was / has been wrongly convicted of these awful murders, by a reliance upon such tainted evidence, be told that he has to spend the rest of his natural life in prison, when all along a gang of corrupted police officers, and CPS officials, have known all along that police have, and did frame Jeremy Bamber for these murders?

They framed him for these murders, nothing could be any clearer, or more certain...

[Bridget]

Bridget , do you see a shadow below the gun and above the necklace ?

I see what could be a shadow on Sheila's neck running along the bottom side of the barrel.

[jon]

I see what could be a shadow on Sheila's neck running along the bottom side of the barrel.

Above the necklace ?

[Bridget]

Above the necklace ?

When you say above, do you mean nearer to her chin? If so, yes.

[mike tesko]

You can put it to one side for as long as you like, but there's no getting away from the fact that the 'wet blood' picture is a blow up from picture 27, and picture 27 was in the court album.

Do you have the transcript of Bird's court evidence? Otherwise I don't see how you can know that picture 23 was taken before pictures 27 and 32. The index is clearly not in chronological order.

It is not a blow up of picture 27, as you put it, at least not in the sense that it has been duplicated from it as you are trying to suggest. PC Bird used a tripod when taking his pictures, and soon after a policeman shot and killed Sheila, by taking the rifle from the bedroom window (23) and placing it upon Sheila's body. PC Bird set up his camera on a tripod and photographed the wet looking blood image by zooming in on that particular area of her throat, and then he waited whilst the wet looking blood started to coagulate, and he took 27 zoomed out, which depicts the same blood as dried and coagulated - so that it appears as though the wet looking blood image was / is a blow up of photographs 27 but this is / was not strictly true and is not true...

It is all very well saying that the index is not in chronological order at this late stage, now that the jury have been fooled by its introduction, but what actually was needed was the full index of the senior investigating officers album (581) so that Bamber and his legal team, and the court which was trying the matter could work everything out for themselves instead of having matters thrust down their throats to be judged and taken into account in keeping with the prosecutions interpretation of events...

What a deception they pulled off, it really is an amazing feat of deception implemented (as it were) on a quite massive scale...

[Bridget]

It is not a blow up of picture 27, as you put it, at least not in the sense that it has been duplicated from it as you are trying to suggest. PC Bird used a tripod when taking his pictures, and soon after a policeman shot and killed Sheila, by taking the rifle from the bedroom window (23) and placing it upon Sheila's body. PC Bird set up his camera on a tripod and photographed the wet looking blood image by zooming in on that particular area of her throat, and then he waiting whilst the blood started to coagulate and he took 27 zoomed out, which depicts the same blood as dried and coagulated - so that it appears as though the wet looking blood image was / is a blow up of photographs 27 but this is / was not strictly true and is not true...

If I had a hat I'd be taking it off to you now for posting the most contrived, speculative and entirely baseless theory I've seen in a long time. I would say ever, but there is some stiff competition.

[mike tesko]

If I had a hat I'd be taking it off to you now for posting the most contrived, speculative and entirely baseless theory I've seen in a long time. I would say ever, but there is some stiff competition.

You can scoff all you want to, but the fact of the matter is that even now, despite some 27 years or so having elapsed there is still no schedule relating to the sequence of events in which all 581 photographs which are contained in the "senior investigating officers album" were taken?

We have a schedule for all the 223 photographs taken in the so called (and wrongly named) "MASTER COPY ALBUM", and a corresponding schedule which shows the 50 photographs contained in the "COURT ALBUM", that were taken from the "MASTER COPY ALBUM", but we do not have a schedule for the sequence of events relating to the taking of the 581 pictures contained in the "SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM". Now in order to make any sense of the contents of the schedule for the " MASTER COPY ALBUM" (223)  and the "COURT ALBUM" (50), you need do you not, a full schedule from the "SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM (581), so that you can work out the exact order that photographs contained in the "MASTER COPY ALBUM" were taken, and in what order by reference to the SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM (581) the 50 photographs which formed the "COURT ALBUM" were taken in, do you not agree?