Lies told about state of blood (SC) - easily disproved...

[mike tesko]

I've said all I have to say about the position of the rifle in 27 and 32 - you can either try it for yourself, or not.

With regards the stain, the same effect applies. The stain is forshortened in 27 by the angle. It still extends from her shoulder to her elbow, but just as the barrel is forshortened, so is her upper arm.

As I said, believe the gun has been moved between those two photos if you want to, but as a theory it's going nowhere because it's easily disproven.

I don't think you understand about the significance of shadows in relation to any item or article that is being photographed, dependant upon the angle or vantage point a photograph is being taken from? Here are a few examples of what I am talking about by reference to some of the other crime scene photographs taken as part of this investigation:-

[susan]

Grahame hope you are the Grahame we all love.

[mike tesko]

The significance of the contents of these important images (23, 27 and 32 - and others taken around the same time) was never aired in the presence of the jury because police are / were responsible for a huge deception concerning how many photographs had been taken at the scene (whf)...

If that deception had been known about at the time the trial got under way, the case against Jeremy would almost certainly have been thrown out of court, and a number of police officers would have been arrested and charged with falsifying evidence, perjury and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice...

[mike tesko]

The significance of the contents of these important images (23, 27 and 32 - and others taken around the same time) was never aired in the presence of the jury because police are / were responsible for a huge deception concerning how many photographs had been taken at the scene (whf)...

If that deception had been known about at the time the trial got under way, the case against Jeremy would almost certainly have been thrown out of court, and a number of police officers would have been arrested and charged with falsifying evidence, perjury and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice...

It is still possible for that to happen...

[Bridget]

I know one thing,,that if a schizophrenic approached me and told me he/she wanted their children dead,,,as was told to the psychiatrist at St Andrews Hospital,, by Sheila,,,,

That's not what the psychiatrist said at all. His statements are in the archive if you want to read them.

[jon]

Bridget , do you see a shadow below the gun and above the necklace ?

[mike tesko]

Now...

Just so some of you do not get carried way and start believing in the nonsense being talked about in recent posts concerning the position of the guns barrel against Sheila's neck or otherwise, I am going to take the liberty of posting a schedule relating to photographs taken by PC Bird, which lists photographs 23, 27 and 32:-

"Schedule taken from City of London (COLP) investigation (1991 - 92)"...





Viewers will note, that photograph 23 (taken from middle landing of main stairs) shows rifle to be off the body and leaning up against the bedroom window, as stated by DI "Ron" Cook, who says he removed rifle from Sheila's body and placed it there, after PC Birds first session inside the bedroom"...

Now, this is all well and good, but how then did the rifle manage to appear back atop Sheila's body in time for PC Bird to photograph the rifle back there, as shown in 27 and 32?

"If the rifle had been removed from atop Shela's body by "Ron" Cook, as of the time photograph 23 was taken by PC Bird from the vantage point of the middle landing (23) then of course the rifle could not be on Sheila's body at that time. It had to be replaced back onto her body in order for PC Bird to take further pictures, as of 27 and 32...

Hence, why in photograph 26 there was no rifle photographed at all on Sheila's body...

[lookout]

That's not what the psychiatrist said at all. His statements are in the archive if you want to read them.

Hi Bridget. I was just referring to what Sheila had been telling the psychiatrist,,,and would have assumed that notes had been taken of what was told. I haven't looked at what the psychiatrist actually said.

[Bridget]

Hi Bridget. I was just referring to what Sheila had been telling the psychiatrist,,,and would have assumed that notes had been taken of what was told. I haven't looked at what the psychiatrist actually said.

Ok, well how would you know what Sheila had said to her psychiatrist without looking at his statements?

[Patti]

Now...

Just so some of you do not get carried way and start believing in the nonsense being talked about in recent posts concerning the position of the guns barrel against Sheila's neck or otherwise, I am going to take the liberty of posting a schedule relating to photographs taken by PC Bird, which lists photographs 23, 27 and 32:-

"Schedule taken from City of London (COLP) investigation (1991 - 92)"...





Viewers will note, that photograph 23 (taken from middle landing of main stairs) shows rifle to be off the body and leaning up against the bedroom window, as stated by DI "Ron" Cook, who says he removed rifle from Sheila's body and placed it there, after PC Birds first session inside the bedroom"...

Now, this is all well and good, but how then did the rifle manage to appear back atop Sheila's body in time for PC Bird to photograph the rifle back there, as shown in 27 and 32?

I am interested in photo 23....Is this the photo that we see with the rifle leaned against the window? If so then the SOCO'S have got it totally incorrect. Because they said they removed the rifle after the photo's were taken, they made the gun safe and removed it from Sheila's body. Then whilst Bird exited the main bedroom he took the photo of the middle landing with rifle seen at the window. Have I got this right or wrong??? 

[Bridget]

Bridget , do you see a shadow below the gun and above the necklace ?

On which photo Jon?

[mike tesko]

Now...

Just so some of you do not get carried way and start believing in the nonsense being talked about in recent posts concerning the position of the guns barrel against Sheila's neck or otherwise, I am going to take the liberty of posting a schedule relating to photographs taken by PC Bird, which lists photographs 23, 27 and 32:-

"Schedule taken from City of London (COLP) investigation (1991 - 92)"...





Viewers will note, that photograph 23 (taken from middle landing of main stairs) shows rifle to be off the body and leaning up against the bedroom window, as stated by DI "Ron" Cook, who says he removed rifle from Sheila's body and placed it there, after PC Birds first session inside the bedroom"...

Now, this is all well and good, but how then did the rifle manage to appear back atop Sheila's body in time for PC Bird to photograph the rifle back there, as shown in 27 and 32?

"If the rifle had been removed from atop Shela's body by "Ron" Cook, as of the time photograph 23 was taken by PC Bird from the vantage point of the middle landing (23) then of course the rifle could not be on Sheila's body at that time. It had to be replaced back onto her body in order for PC Bird to take further pictures, as of 27 and 32...

Hence, why in photograph 26 there was no rifle photographed at all on Sheila's body...

According to this schedule, PC Bird did not take any photographs of Sheila with the rifle upon her body until after he took photograph 23, which shows the rifle leaning up against the bedroom window - so, the jury were not shown any photographs of the rifle on atop of Sheila's body until it had been replaced there by the police at some point after photographs 23 had been taken? This means that any photographs which were shown or made available to the jury which had the rifle atop her body, were  photographs taken of the stage managed body of Sheila as stage managed by the police, not by anyone else, not by Jeremy, or any as yet unidentified killer...

Jury were therefore fooled into accepting the prosecutions claim that Jeremy had stage managed Sheila's body with the rifle atop it, as shown in the photographs made available to the jury, when all along PC Bird took no photographs of the rifle atiop Sheila;'s body, until after the rifle was taken from the bedroom window and placed onto her body on the floor as in 27 and 32...

What a scandalous state of affairs...

[Bridget]

Now...

Just so some of you do not get carried way and start believing in the nonsense being talked about in recent posts concerning the position of the guns barrel against Sheila's neck or otherwise, I am going to take the liberty of posting a schedule relating to photographs taken by PC Bird, which lists photographs 23, 27 and 32:-

"Schedule taken from City of London (COLP) investigation (1991 - 92)"...

Viewers will note, that photograph 23 (taken from middle landing of main stairs) shows rifle to be off the body and leaning up against the bedroom window, as stated by DI "Ron" Cook, who says he removed rifle from Sheila's body and placed it there, after PC Birds first session inside the bedroom"...

Now, this is all well and good, but how then did the rifle manage to appear back atop Sheila's body in time for PC Bird to photograph the rifle back there, as shown in 27 and 32?

"If the rifle had been removed from atop Shela's body by "Ron" Cook, as of the time photograph 23 was taken by PC Bird from the vantage point of the middle landing (23) then of course the rifle could not be on Sheila's body at that time. It had to be replaced back onto her body in order for PC Bird to take further pictures, as of 27 and 32...

Hence, why in photograph 26 there was no rifle photographed at all on Sheila's body...

Thanks for posting that, it confirms that the reference numbers on photos 27 and 32 are court album reference numbers, and that therefore the 'wet blood' picture which is a blow up from 27 was not an undisclosed photo.

[mike tesko]

I am interested in photo 23....Is this the photo that we see with the rifle leaned against the window? If so then the SOCO'S have got it totally incorrect. Because they said they removed the rifle after the photo's were taken, they made the gun safe and removed it from Sheila's body. Then whilst Bird exited the main bedroom he took the photo of the middle landing with rifle seen at the window. Have I got this right or wrong??? 

"Bingo"...

You have hit the nail on the head, so to speak...

They took pictures of the rifle on the body of Sheila Caffell, in the different positions, after PC Bird took picture 23 from the vantage point of the middle landing...

Jury were deliberately and falsely misled regarding these matters...

Convictions can't be safe, because of this very reason alone...

[lookout]

Ok, well how would you know what Sheila had said to her psychiatrist without looking at his statements?

Bridget,,I had notes from another source.