Lies told about state of blood (SC) - easily disproved...

[Bridget]

That is what has been asserted, as you put it.

Well clearly it wasn't.

[Roch]

Well clearly it wasn't.

Come again? What wasn't?

[Roch]

Is the lower photo a Mike Tesko photo of a photo?

[Bridget]

Come again? What wasn't?

The photo wasn't taken at a different time from the others.

[Bridget]

Is the lower photo a Mike Tesko photo of a photo?

Yes.

[Roch]

The photo wasn't taken at a different time from the others.

You cannot know which photos were taken at a different time from which other photos, by comparing what might be a Mike Tesko photo of a photo, with a blow up of the same crime scene image from a source unknown.  If the blow up is a lab blow-up commissioned by the defence then that's one thing, if it is somehow a digitally manipulated image of the photo of the photo, then that might be a different matter altogether.

I'm off out for a slurp.

[Bridget]

You cannot know which photos were taken at a different time from which other photos, by comparing what might be a Mike Tesko photo of a photo, with a blow up of the same crime scene image from a source unknown.  If the blow up is a lab blow-up commissioned by the defence then that's one thing, if it is somehow a digitally manipulated image of the photo of the photo, then that might be a different matter altogether.

I'm off out for a slurp.

Of course it's not a manipulated image of Mike's photo of a photo, it's a  manipulated image of whatever the defence gave the press. It's not me that's saying the photos were taken at different times. The photo of a photo is one of a series available in Abs' photo thread. Cleaarly they were all taken at the same time as each other, and so was the 'redder' photo.

Enjoy your slurp.

[-Harters-]

You cannot know which photos were taken at a different time from which other photos, by comparing what might be a Mike Tesko photo of a photo, with a blow up of the same crime scene image from a source unknown.  If the blow up is a lab blow-up commissioned by the defence then that's one thing, if it is somehow a digitally manipulated image of the photo of the photo, then that might be a different matter altogether.

I'm off out for a slurp.

Read the posts Rochy, we've just shown you which photograph was blown up and enhanced to produce the 'redder' image.

So yes, we can very clearly know that the images are taken at the same time, as they are in fact the same image.

This actually surprised me, but it has completely dispelled the myth that the 'redder' photographs were being withheld prior to 2004.

If you can't understand this or aren't willing to acknowledge this, then fine, but I'd say it strips you of the right to describe others as obtuse.

[Caroline R]

With regards the 'fresh blood' picture, again if Sheila was moved even if only slightly you would expect there to be some leakage from the wounds of blood which is trapped. The general colouring of that photo is so different from the others that it cannot be said that by comparison the blood is 'oxygenated', which is the point I was making on the other thread.

Neville, June and the twins would also have been moved no one mentioned or photographed wet blood on any of the others! The fact that it is also a contention, means that given the estimated time of death (were JB to have committed the crimes) it is VERY unusual for blood to still flow from wounds and for livor mortis not to be evident.

[Bridget]

Neville, June and the twins would also have been moved no one mentioned or photographed wet blood on any of the others! The fact that it is also a contention, means that given the estimated time of death (were JB to have committed the crimes) it is VERY unusual for blood to still flow from wounds and for livor mortis not to be evident.

There was wet blood on Neville, from memory it was said to have soaked into his pyjama top during removal.

[lookout]

Neville, June and the twins would also have been moved no one mentioned or photographed wet blood on any of the others! The fact that it is also a contention, means that given the estimated time of death (were JB to have committed the crimes) it is VERY unusual for blood to still flow from wounds and for livor mortis not to be evident.

Hi Caroline. Considering the severity of the crime scene itself,,,there was never a mention of the times of deaths,,which I find difficult to reason with because it's a most important and vital part of any investigation.

[Caroline R]

Hi Caroline. Considering the severity of the crime scene itself,,,there was never a mention of the times of deaths,,which I find difficult to reason with because it's a most important and vital part of any investigation.

Totally agree!!

[Moe Cassani]

Neville, June and the twins would also have been moved no one mentioned or photographed wet blood on any of the others! The fact that it is also a contention, means that given the estimated time of death (were JB to have committed the crimes) it is VERY unusual for blood to still flow from wounds and for livor mortis not to be evident.

They probably didnt mention it because June, Nevil or the twins were not suspected of committing murder whereas Sheila initially was. That was the nature of the initial investigation I am afraid. It is not unusual for blood to flow from wounds, especially as severe as they were - to put it crudely, I I hope you forgive me for - they were full of holes and each body contains 9 pints of blood. Since blood wil find a natural path according to gravitational forces acting upon, they will bleed and bleed profusely. The blood that makes contact with the air will inevitably congeal until it is disturbed again. I have this on good authority from a haemotologist (blood specialist)at my local hospital whom I quizzed during a break in a squash game.

[Caroline R]

They probably didnt mention it because June, Nevil or the twins were not suspected of committing murder whereas Sheila initially was. That was the nature of the initial investigation I am afraid. It is not unusual for blood to flow from wounds, especially as severe as they were - to put it crudely, I I hope you forgive me for - they were full of holes and each body contains 9 pints of blood. Since blood wil find a natural path according to gravitational forces acting upon, they will bleed and bleed profusely. The blood that makes contact with the air will inevitably congeal until it is disturbed again. I have this on good authority from a haemotologist (blood specialist)at my local hospital whom I quizzed during a break in a squash game.

They weren't all full of holes! Sheila was shot twice and yet the others didn't have wounds 'flowing' blood! I also have it on good authority that given the length of time between when the shootings are supposed to have occurred and discovery of the bodies, that it is unusual for livor mortis not to be present and rigor mortis not to have started - even though a few feet away June Bamber's body had succumbed to rigor mortis. Sheila was lighter than June, they were in the same atmospheric conditions and yet, Sheila showed no sign of rigor!




 

[lookout]

Blood doesn't pump out of a dead person,,for obvious reasons.