Lies told about state of blood (SC) - easily disproved...

[mike tesko]

If that's the case, and it is from a crime scene video, then it's odd that you've previously claimed that crime scene videos have been secretly withheld, this is despite the fact that Vanezis is clearly of the opinion that no video with bodies in situ, exists.

You forgot to quote when I mentioned that the CCRC have the Video footage from the scene that they are refusing to let Jeremy see (so get your facts right when you start making things up)

[mike tesko]

You say you have evidence to support your theory that she was but refuse to disclose it?

At least I have evidence to support what I am saying, you don't - and whether I choose to introduce it, or disckose it is up to me but that is another matter entirely...

[maggie]

No one coughed.

How do you know that Bridget. Were you there?

[Bridget]

At least I have evidence to support what I am saying, you don't - and whether I chose to introduce it, or disckose it is up to me but that is another matter entirely...

Anyone can claim to have evidence of anything, but if you refuse to use it even to further your stated aim then people are going to question whether or not you do actually have it.

[Bridget]

How do you know that Bridget. Were you there?

No, but umpteen police officers and a police surgeon were

[Bridget]

You forgot to quote when I mentioned that the CCRC have the Video footage from the scene that they are refusing to let Jeremy see (so get your facts right when you start making things up)

But they gave it to the TV production company?

[Roch]

As to the photos, it doesn't take an expert to see that the colourisation (is that a word?) is different on what you are calling the congealed blood ones, and the oxygenated blood one. Certainly the oxygenated blood one that we have here appears to have been manipulated in some way, even the colours in the skin tone appear to be too red. The original unmanipulated photos were presumably used in whatever submissions were made, and the argument was rejected I believe.

Bridget, this is what you posted re the suggestion photos have been manipulated.  What I'd like to know is:

(1) Are you suggesting Mike Tesko has manipulated photos for viewing on this forum?

Or

(2) Are you suggesting that the defence manipulated the photos which came to light in approx 2004?

Also

(3) Are you inferring that the photos which came to light in 2004 are no different (in real terms) from the photos which were used by the prosecution at trial, i.e. there are no differences in the nature of the content re the crime scene / blood?

[Bridget]

Bridget, this is what you posted re the suggestion photos have been manipulated.  What I'd like to know is:

(1) Are you suggesting Mike Tesko has manipulated photos for viewing on this forum?

Or

(2) Are you suggesting that the defence manipulated the photos which came to light in approx 2004?

Also

(3) Are you inferring that the photos which came to light in 2004 are no different (in real terms) from the photos which were used by the prosecution at trial, i.e. there are no differences in the nature of the content re the crime scene / blood?

1. No.

2. No.

3. Not really.

What I'm saying is that the copy of the photo we have here appears to be enhanced, probably because it's been pulled off of some newspaper's website and they have enhanced it to give it more effect. Similarly, the photos we have here of Sheila on the floor appear to be lacking in tone, probably because they are photos of photos. I did say that I assumed the actual photographs were used by the defence when making their submissions.

[Roch]

1. No.

2. No.

3. Not really.

What I'm saying is that the copy of the photo we have here appears to be enhanced, probably because it's been pulled off of some newspaper's website and they have enhanced it to give it more effect. Similarly, the photos we have here of Sheila on the floor appear to be lacking in tone, probably because they are photos of photos. I did say that I assumed the actual photographs were used by the defence when making their submissions.

Do you mean a newspaper enhanced this photograph, so that it appeared very different from the photographs depicting semi-congealed blood?

[-Harters-]

Gunshot wounds? 

That photo has clearly been edited though, it's b+w for a start, the same photo in colour on this forum shows an area of dried cracked blood, which is being claimed as 'running'. Maybe run would be more accurate?

Ralphs blood was wet too.

[mike tesko]

By the time PC Bird got around to taking the photograph which shows fresh blood running, leaking and pouring from wounds and the corner of her mouth, the edges of the blood flow had just started to coagulate. By reference to this particular feature it can be worked out that about 15 minutes had elapsed since a policeman shot and killed Sheila...

[mike tesko]

Gunshot wounds? 

Ralphs blood was wet too.

You do not know that all the wet blood in the kitchen originated solely from Ralph? You are speculating, no tests were carried out to determine whose blood was found in the kitchen - on the other hand, none of Ralphs blood was found anywhere at all in the main bedroom. All the blood identified in the bedroom produced AK 2-1 type blood which was unique to June Bamber...

[Bridget]

Do you mean a newspaper enhanced this photograph, so that it appeared very different from the photographs depicting semi-congealed blood?

No, I mean what I said, which was: pulled off of some newspaper's website and they have enhanced it to give it more effect.

[Roch]

Gunshot wounds? 

That photo has clearly been edited though, it's b+w for a start, the same photo in colour on this forum shows an area of dried cracked blood, which is being claimed as 'running'. Maybe run would be more accurate?

Ralphs blood was wet too.

I'm not sure what you mean by questioning gunshot wounds.  But do you have a link to the photo in question here that you think differs from the newspaper photo.  Maybe we can try and find what you mean.

Ralph's injuries and positioning were entirely different and involved severe trauma to the head / brain.  We also have no time of death for Ralph.  There is also the disputed possibility that he was knocked over by TFG.

[Roch]

No, I mean what I said, which was: pulled off of some newspaper's website and they have enhanced it to give it more effect.

Enhanced by the defence or by Mike Tesko?  Enhanced on behalf of the defence or on behalf of Mike Tesko?  Do you have any proof of enhancement to produce the effects you claim?