Rucked up nightdress beneath Sheila's stage managed body...

[Jane]

So she gave him a life sentence to avoid a chequebook fraud charge, a burglary charge and a minor drugs offence - she would probably have got off with a caution anyway...

Very true, but doing it her way ensured she wasn't even prosecuted and didn't end up with a criminal record and secured a good life for herself. Could she have guaranteed that for herself by any other means?

[mike tesko]

Or, maybe he was so arrogant that he thought he'd get away with it regardless of what he allegedly told Julie.

We all agree that he displayed a staggering amount of arrogance don't we?

You do not need to interview a witness over 30 times so that you can coach her on what to say, if what she claims Jeremy told her was true. You interview and coach someome like Muggy because she knows nothing, was told nothin and there is no independant evidence to back up anything she has ever said or continues to say - if I am erong, five innocent people were shot and killed because Muggy acted criminally. She conspired with Jeremy to kill everyone, including two little sweet / innocent children - she was / is an evil bitch, murderess (if anything she said or says was/is true? The fa t that she didn't even get arrested and interviewed under caution, let alone stand trial and be aquitted tells its own story...

She lied. and DS  Jones filled her head full of shit, she would have and did say anything that bent copper wanted / needed her to say...

[susan]

Maggie  I was just about to post the same sentiments myself.  I read he was sent away to school as it would not be acceptable for him to mix with local kids that he may employ one day so as a child this may have made him think he was a little superior and with those good looks on top.  I read from an old friend of his that underneath the facade Jeremy created was a nice kind understanding person who would do anything to help.  Everyone has different views on Jeremy I have never met the man so can only believe what I am told by people who have met him.  I agree he did himself no favours at all before and during his Trial and I am sure he knows that now as well.

[jon]

She could not even tell the truth of whom accompanied her to the bank !!
We know this as the stand in bank manager made a statement saying so !!
Now why would she lie about this ?

[susan]

Hi april I think I maybe right in saying that you are not allowed to teach children with a criminal record so Julie would not have been able to proceed with her teaching career with a criminal record.

[maggie]

She could not even tell the truth of whom accompanied her to the bank !!
We know this as the stand in bank manager made a statement saying so !!
Now why would she lie about this ?

It's interesting Jon, I'm actully quite curious about Julie Mugford's real character and who was the dominant partner in Jeremy's and Julie's relationship.  She was capable of committing crimes without him so she wasn't led by Jeremy.

[jon]

It's interesting Jon, I'm actully quite curious about Julie Mugford's real character and who was the dominant partner in Jeremy's and Julie's relationship.  She was capable of committing crimes without him so she wasn't led by Jeremy.

I read her mother made a statement once , do you know where it can be found ?

[Jane]

It's interesting Jon, I'm actully quite curious about Julie Mugford's real character and who was the dominant partner in Jeremy's and Julie's relationship.  She was capable of committing crimes without him so she wasn't led by Jeremy.

And was clever enough to extricate herself from potential ruination of her future careeer for crimes of which she was undoubtedly guilty.

[Jane]

Hi april I think I maybe right in saying that you are not allowed to teach children with a criminal record so Julie would not have been able to proceed with her teaching career with a criminal record.

Yes, Susan, you undoubtedly are. I can also add to that, that I think it unlikely she could have made a life for herself in Canada with a criminal record.

[Steve_uk]

It's interesting Jon, I'm actully quite curious about Julie Mugford's real character and who was the dominant partner in Jeremy's and Julie's relationship.  She was capable of committing crimes without him so she wasn't led by Jeremy.

No she wasn't led by Jeremy as she had had a good education at Altrincham Grammar School and was a university student at a time when a university education was still elitist. But she was dazzled by Jeremy,his cruel handsomeness,his public school(even if he did fail his O Levels at the first attempt). She was,in fact,in love with him for a time. She had asked him why didn't he just walk away if he was so unhappy to which he replied "because I have too much to lose",thus emphasising Jeremy's materialistic nature and knowing on which side his bread was buttered. Under these circumstances it's no wonder that Julie kept in with Jeremy,and I believe her when she was interviewed shortly after the murders saying that Jeremy became afraid of her because of the amount she knew,and this in turn made her afraid of Jeremy. Fear is no basis on which a relationship can proceed and so they rightly broke up. Jeremy gave her £400 and would no doubt have bankrolled her in the future,he helped her to move house after the pillow incident thus indicating that there were no hard feelings. Jeremy was at that stage of his life a rich man leading the bachelor lifestyle in London at his deceased sister's flat,and being tied down with Julie with his newly-won freedom did not enter into his plans.

[lookout]

It's interesting Jon, I'm actully quite curious about Julie Mugford's real character and who was the dominant partner in Jeremy's and Julie's relationship.  She was capable of committing crimes without him so she wasn't led by Jeremy.

Hi Maggie,,,it's my own belief that Jeremy was led into bad ways by JM,,as his life had been pretty sheltered to a degree,,and he saw excitement in how she conducted herself. She was the leader,,,not him.
I still say that she should also have been prosecuted for not having told the police sooner,of Jeremys' so-called " plans ". Why didn't she,if she thought he meant it.?
It's a question that those who believe Jeremy committed the murders,should answer really,,,seeing as they too know what JM said to the police about the so-called threats.

[Steve_uk]

Hi Maggie,,,it's my own belief that Jeremy was led into bad ways by JM,,as his life had been pretty sheltered to a degree,,and he saw excitement in how she conducted herself. She was the leader,,,not him.
I still say that she should also have been prosecuted for not having told the police sooner,of Jeremys' so-called " plans ". Why didn't she,if she thought he meant it.?
It's a question that those who believe Jeremy committed the murders,should answer really,,,seeing as they too know what JM said to the police about the so-called threats.

She was in love with him Lookout..haven't we all fallen in love with someone at some stage of our lives and thought that that person could do no wrong..she let herself be lulled by Jeremy's talk that he was doing everyone a favour,whilst probably not taking him seriously. Of course she should have informed the Police beforehand,but sometimes young people and old for that matter make the crassest decisions whilst under the spell of another human being.

[susan]

Hi Maggie/lookout/april1  I have been wondering if Julie was a psychopath she tried to smother Jeremy with a pillow and she offered to indentify the little twins and asked bizarre questions afterwards which I will not post up.  When she left the mortuary she showed no sign of emotion and just needed a cigarette.Even after Jeremy had been given a life sentence she was posing outside the Court room I read and showed no signs of emotion she turned on the waterworks in the Courtroom when need.  I have never read where Jeremy has ever said one wrong word against her.  Surely having an intimate relationship with a man for another 4 weeks with the knowledge of his crime says quite alot about her that is not normal behaviour.  Your thoughts girls as you are all more qualified to talk about this than me.

[maggie]

No she wasn't led by Jeremy as she had had a good education at Altrincham Grammar School and was a university student at a time when a university education was still elitist. But she was dazzled by Jeremy,his cruel handsomeness,his public school(even if he did fail his O Levels at the first attempt). She was,in fact,in love with him for a time. She had asked him why didn't he just walk away if he was so unhappy to which he replied "because I have too much to lose",thus emphasising Jeremy's materialistic nature and knowing on which side his bread was buttered. Under these circumstances it's no wonder that Julie kept in with Jeremy,and I believe her when she was interviewed shortly after the murders saying that Jeremy became afraid of her because of the amount she knew,and this in turn made her afraid of Jeremy. Fear is no basis on which a relationship can proceed and so they rightly broke up. Jeremy gave her £400 and would no doubt have bankrolled her in the future,he helped her to move house after the pillow incident thus indicating that there were no hard feelings. Jeremy was at that stage of his life a rich man leading the bachelor lifestyle in London at his deceased sister's flat,and being tied down with Julie with his newly-won freedom did not enter into his plans.

Steve, I know all about Grammer schools and degrees at that time, I was one of the so called elite myself.......not a good system.   I love your phrase 'dazzled by his cruel handsomeness'...I fear you've read too many Mills and Boon books for your own good. 

[-Harters-]

Well absolutely Hartley but he was very young and maybe that was the way he was brought up...doesn't make him a killer.

I never once suggested that it did.