Rucked up nightdress beneath Sheila's stage managed body...

[maggie]

Very true April.  Usually indescriminate liars and parasites but manipulative and cunning. How would you know, you did wel to suss one out that quickly, can be very difficult because of the charm.

[susan]

Hi Mike  if Jeremy had confessed to Julie that he had murdered his family he would not have been so stupid to dump her he would have kept her close and sweet for the time anyway.  I have read on the forum that Jeremy was a cold calculating killer a man of such a disposition would not have alienated a person he had confessed to.  This is of course my take on it others will have different views.

[maggie]

Hi Mike  if Jeremy had confessed to Julie that he had murdered his family he would not have been so stupid to dump her he would have kept her close and sweet for the time anyway.  I have read on the forum that Jeremy was a cold calculating killer a man of such a disposition would not have alienated a person he had confessed to.  This is of course my take on it others will have different views.

Hi Suse well no if he was as bad as he's supposed to be he would have taken her out somehow as well, surely, as she knew too much.....or have I been watching too much daytime tv.

[susan]

Hi Mags  a cool calculating killer would not have confided in anyone about a crime of such magnitude they would never put themselves in such a position that another has a hold on them.

[mike tesko]

Hi Mike  if Jeremy had confessed to Julie that he had murdered his family he would not have been so stupid to dump her he would have kept her close and sweet for the time anyway.  I have read on the forum that Jeremy was a cold calculating killer a man of such a disposition would not have alienated a person he had confessed to.  This is of course my take on it others will have different views.

Yeah, if Jeremy had confided such evil and wicked thoughts to Muggy,  he would have planned for her to be at the farm when everybody got killed. She would have been top of his hit list for sure?

[-Harters-]

Yeah, if Jeremy had confided such evil and wicked thoughts to Muggy,  he would have planned for ger to be at the farm when everybody got killed. She would have been top of his hit list for sure?

Or, maybe he was so arrogant that he thought he'd get away with it regardless of what he allegedly told Julie.

We all agree that he displayed a staggering amount of arrogance don't we?

[boheme]

Mugford knew nothing, she wasn't told anything at all by Jeremy about plans to kill members of his family. The only person who filled her head full of shit, was her best buddy ( let me interview you 30 times so you will get the story right) "Stan"  the man (I can falsify my pocketbook entry, it's no problem) Jones...

Then why did she not just say he was innocent - she would have prevented him from going to prison, probably gained financially from his inheritance and had a clear conscience ? She supposedly went along with the Police framing JB for 5 murders just because he dumped her.... Its a big ask in my opinion.

[maggie]

Yeah, if Jeremy had confided such evil and wicked thoughts to Muggy,  he would have planned for her to be at the farm when everybody got killed. She would have been top of his hit list for sure?

Too right Mike

[Jane]

Then why did she not just say he was innocent - she would have prevented him from going to prison, probably gained financially from his inheritance and had a clear conscience ? She supposedly went along with the Police framing JB for 5 murders just because he dumped her.... Its a big ask in my opinion.

Have you forgotten her own crimes. It may have been a question of sacrificing Jeremy to save her own skin.

[maggie]

Or, maybe he was so arrogant that he thought he'd get away with it regardless of what he allegedly told Julie.

We all agree that he displayed a staggering amount of arrogance don't we?

No, he was a young man in a dreadful position, what coping mechanism would you have used Hartley?  Who are we to judge him?

[boheme]

Have you forgotten her own crimes. It may have been a question of sacrificing Jeremy to save her own skin.

So she gave him a life sentence to avoid a chequebook fraud charge, a burglary charge and a minor drugs offence - she would probably have got off with a caution anyway...

[-Harters-]

No, he was a young man in a dreadful position, what coping mechanism would you have used Hartley?  Who are we to judge him?

I think it's pretty universally accepted that he displayed a great deal of arrogance which in no way helped his case, if that was his coping mechanism, then it's extremely unfortunate for him.

[susan]

Hi Mags  I think most young men with the looks Jeremy had would have been a tad arrogant but he would have grown out of it.  I think to suggest that he would confide that he was going to and had carried out the most horrendous crimes would have been described as totally stupid not arrogant.

[maggie]

So she gave him a life sentence to avoid a chequebook fraud charge, a burglary charge and a minor drugs offence - she would probably have got off with a caution anyway...

Hi boheme, Julie was flakey anyway, she tried to smother him with a pillow, cos she didn't want anyone else to have him...seriously disturbing behaviour, well she got her way...she didn't kill him but she did get him locked way.  Actually, I would guess that Miss Mugford may have thought she could put the wind up him by going to the police but found herself far too deeply entrenched very quickly.

[maggie]

I think it's pretty universally accepted that he displayed a great deal of arrogance which in no way helped his case, if that was his coping mechanism, then it's extremely unfortunate for him.

Well absolutely Hartley but he was very young and maybe that was the way he was brought up...doesn't make him a killer.