Rucked up nightdress beneath Sheila's stage managed body...

[mike tesko]

It is possible that during the process of the police moving Sheila's body from the bed to the bedroom floor, that the back of her nightdress hung down vertically, and that when police plonked her body down next to the bed, that her body came to rest on top of the rucked up nightdress which fell into the position it ended up being photographed in by a process of gravity, and that no-one pulled her legs at all...

[mike tesko]

It is possible that during the process of the police moving Sheila's body from the bed to the bedroom floor, that the back of her nightdress hung down vertically, and that when police plonked her body down next to the bed, that her body came to rest on top of the rucked up nightdress which fell into the position it ended up being photographed in by a process of gravity, and that no-one pulled her legs at all...

The only people respinsible for any leg pulling in this matter are the police who shot and killed Sheila, and who stage managed her body on the floor... They didn't need to stage manage her body to fool anyone into thinking or proving that Sheila took her own life, because the police officers involved in the cover up made the decision as to what took place. If the police said Sheila shot the others and then committed suicide then she did and not you or me or uncle tom cobley could do anything at all about it, unless you and me got wind of what actually took place and we started to kick up a stink about it, in the same way the relatives did? It took the relatives a whole month of pressurising Essex police before the police caved in to relentless pressure. By the time the police capitulated, the cover up had gone to far to confess to truth about how Sheila had been shot by a police officer who recklessly mishandled the loaded rifle whilst moving it about on her body...

[mike tesko]

How far does Ismail say someone pulled Sheila's legs? Whatever the distance, I suspect this was mentioned with Sheila being originally sat partially upright, but if true how come the blood which poured and ran and leaked from the upper fatal entry wound did not flow vertically down her neck?

[Steve_uk]

Mike if you have started a new thread specifically to deal with this point it is only fair that the photograph portraying Sheila on the bed is shown,otherwise everyone else is just flailing around in the dark..

[jim ignatowski]

Mike if you have started a new thread specifically to deal with this point it is only fair that the photograph portraying Sheila on the bed is shown,otherwise everyone else is just flailing around in the dark..

I'm afraid that the photograph of Sheila on the bed is part of the mythology of this case - it doesn't exist !!!

[lookout]

I'm afraid that the photograph of Sheila on the bed is part of the mythology of this case - it doesn't exist !!!

According to Ann Eaton it does/did. It was she who stated that Sheila was found on the bed.

[mike tesko]

According to Ann Eaton it does/did. It was she who stated that Sheila was found on the bed.

How did Ann Eaton know Sheila's body was found on the bed? Why isn't she kicking up a fuss now that she has found out police say they found her body on the bedroom floor?

[lookout]

How did Ann Eaton know Sheila's body was found on the bed? Why isn't she kicking up a fuss now that she has found out police say they found her body on the bedroom floor?

Makes you wonder,Mike,,,except that Stan Jones was as thick as thieves with the relatives and she wouldn't want to drop him in it,,,it wouldn't be in her interest to do so. Ann Eaton only kicked up a fuss about what she wanted others to hear. 

[Bridget]

Makes you wonder,Mike,,,except that Stan Jones was as thick as thieves with the relatives and she wouldn't want to drop him in it,,,it wouldn't be in her interest to do so. Ann Eaton only kicked up a fuss about what she wanted others to hear.

Or she accepts that she either misinterpreted what she was told, or that whoever told her was mistaken.

[lookout]

Or she accepts that she either misinterpreted what she was told, or that whoever told her was mistaken.

Too many "misinterpretations and mistakes",Bridget. Some very selective statements,,especially from Julie Mugford. How many times did she go back and forth ? 32 was it.? Why.?

[Moe Cassani]

Too many "misinterpretations and mistakes",Bridget. Some very selective statements,,especially from Julie Mugford. How many times did she go back and forth ? 32 was it.? Why.?

I know what you are trying to hint at lookout, but just because she wants to get every aspect of her story correct doesn't mean that she is a liar. She knew Bamber for two years and alot happened in that time...32 times? why not?

[Bridget]

Too many "misinterpretations and mistakes",Bridget. Some very selective statements,,especially from Julie Mugford. How many times did she go back and forth ? 32 was it.? Why.?

Why? Ann Eaton was not there and didn't see for herself. We don't even know with any certainty who told her, or whether that person was actually there either.

As to Julie, yes, 30 something occasions, but what constitutes an occasion? I've seen numerous statements on here from other people that deal with single issues, often only a single paragraph. It appears that as things arose they would take a statement from the person concerned. These statements are later combined into a composite statement. Julie was a key prosecution witness and gave evidence across a wide spectrum of matters, it's hardly surprising that they had a lot to ask her, or that more questions arose as the investigation progressed.

[lookout]

I know what you are trying to hint at lookout, but just because she wants to get every aspect of her story correct doesn't mean that she is a liar. She knew Bamber for two years and alot happened in that time...32 times? why not?

Those people who live in glass houses are the ones who are always throwing stones,Moe but she was one of the crafty,cunning individuals who escaped prosecution alongside him,,yet those who say Jeremy is guilty,omit to say that JM was also an accessory for allegedly "knowing what Jeremy had in mind to do "? . I bet Jeremy could have told a fine tale about her too,,as she wasn't exactly squeaky clean.
So if what JM had stated was supposedly true,,why wasn't she made an accessory.?Allegedly knowing what he had in mind,,,why wasn't she running to the police then warning them of a forthcoming massacre.??

[lookout]

If someone told you that they were going to kill,drug and burn the house down,,,wouldn't you step back and then report it to the police.? Forewarned is forearmed to have halted a tragedy.
So technically,,JM could have stopped what happened that night if you believe that Jeremy did it.? That being the case,,,if you think that way,then JM is to blame for what happened.

[susan]

Morning lookout.  My thoughts exactly if Jeremy did murder his family and Julie knew previously he was going to carry out the act she could have prevented it.  Also if you knew your partner of 2 years had carried out these murders two of which were two little boys could you have carried on sharing his bed  I would think could be my turn next I'm off no self respecting person could have continued the relationship.