Rifle flush with body, gun barrel under chin, clue...

[rhodes]

I suggest you take another swig of that whiskey you are drinking and study the following evidence at the following link which confirms that there was / is a bloodstain on the rear of Sheila's nightdress...

(1) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=18751;image

That diag clearly indicates blood which has soaked through having run down her neck and side. 

[mike tesko]

That diag clearly indicates blood which has soaked through having run down her neck and side.

which was not duplicated on the carpet beneath where PC Bird later photographed her body on the floor - so how do you think that happened?

[rhodes]

There wasn't no bullet in her spine - where did you get that silly idea from?

And besides...

that ain't what Professor Knight said about it...

Oh yea?   The pathologist report was very clear about this.

The bullet terminated on the right side of the 4th vertical vertebra causing fractures.  ie spine.

[mike tesko]

which was not duplicated on the carpet beneath where PC Bird later photographed her body on the floor - so how do you think that happened?

Of course, the corresponding bloodstain which appears on the rear of the nightdress could be found downstairs on the floor in the region of the kitchen, and perhaps on the bed...

Yet, by the time her body was moved to the floor the blood on the rear of her nightdress had probably dried...

[rhodes]

which was not duplicated on the carpet beneath where PC Bird later photographed her body on the floor - so how do you think that happened?

The pathologist report was clear on the blood staining t the nightdress.  The staining was on the inside of the nightdress which being blood would have caused little transference to the carpet beneath.  We don't know what the transference was in any event as there are no photos of the carpet where she lay.

[rhodes]

Of course, the corresponding bloodstain which appears on the rear of the nightdress could be found downstairs on the floor in the region of the kitchen, and perhaps on the bed...

Yet, by the time her body was moved to the floor the blood on the rear of her nightdress had probably dried...

Nice theory but with nothing to back it up.   

[mike tesko]

Oh yea?   The pathologist report was very clear about this.

The bullet terminated on the right side of the 4th vertical vertebra causing fractures.  ie spine.

Professor knight confirmed during his testimony that Sheila was more than capable of moving around after the first shot was inflicted - why should anyone believe or trust what Venezis, when he has turned his back on the tampering with of the original fragmented bullet PV/20 - he allowed someone to introduce a whole control bullet fired during test firing of rifle "Y", so that the prosecution could argue by a reliance upon evidence from ballistic expert Fletcher that oth bullets subject of Sheila's shooting, came from the same rifle (Y), when they did not...

[rhodes]

Still waiting on your response about the first bullet which lodged in her spine?>

Nobody so afflicted would be getting up never mind walk up a flight of stairs in silence in a house swarming with plod.

[rhodes]

Professor knight confirmed during his testimony that Sheila was more than capable of moving around after the first shot was inflicted - why should anyone believe or trust what Venezis, when he has turned his back on the tampering with of the original fragmented bullet PV/20 - he allowed someone to introduce a whole control bullet fired during test firing of rifle "Y", so that the prosecution could argue by a reliance upon evidence from ballistic expert Fletcher that oth bullets subject of Sheila's shooting, came from the same rifle (Y), when they did not...

Venezis examined her so I would go with his expert opinion any time.  The bullet thingy is pure conspiracy theory.

[mike tesko]

The pathologist report was clear on the blood staining t the nightdress.  The staining was on the inside of the nightdress which being blood would have caused little transference to the carpet beneath.  We don't know what the transference was in any event as there are no photos of the carpet where she lay.

Unfortunately for you and your speculation about the blood which had seeped through to the outside surface of the nightdress, and in those circumstances, if Sheila had been shot next to the bedside cabinet there would have been a corresponding trace of blood on the bedroom carpet (rug) which according to the police was / is absent. There was no photograph of the relevant section of the bedroom carpet because police cut it out and burnt it on a bonfire in the grounds of the farm. But what they did say was that spots of June Bambers blood was the only blood staining found beneath where PC bird later photographed Sheila's body?

[mike tesko]

Venezis examined her so I would go with his expert opinion any time.  The bullet thingy is pure conspiracy theory.

Bullet thingy is a conspiracy I agree, involving those that chose to substitute the original fragmented bullet (PV/20) for a whole control one test fired via rifle "Y", to allow the ballistic expert to conclude that the substituted PV/20 bullet was fired via rifle "Y"...

Venezis is part of the problem...

He knew he removed a badly fragmented bullet from Sheila's neck, yet by the time the case came to court it had become transformed into a whole bullet which the ballistic expert was able to link to the rifle "Y"...

If Venezis is not corrupted, why hasn't he spoken out about this deception?

[rhodes]

Unfortunately for you and your speculation about the blood which had seeped through to the outside surface of the nightdress, and in those circumstances, if Sheila had been shot next to the bedside cabinet there would have been a corresponding trace of blood on the bedroom carpet (rug) which according to the police was / is absent. There was no photograph of the relevant section of the bedroom carpet because police cut it out and burnt it on a bonfire in the grounds of the farm. But what they did say was that spots of June Bambers blood was the only blood staining found beneath where PC bird later photographed Sheila's body?

June was never on that side of the bedroom as she was shot in bed and then again as she made for the bedroom door.  Sorry.

[mike tesko]

June was never on that side of the bedroom as she was shot in bed and then again as she made for the bedroom door.  Sorry.

Yeah, so you obviously do not believe or trust what the police have said about Junes blood being in the bedroom carpet, on that side of the bed? So, are you agreeing that police have lied about this, if that is what you are saying?

[rhodes]

Bullet thingy is a conspiracy I agree, involving those that chose to substitute the original fragmented bullet (PV/20) for a whole control one test fired via rifle "Y", to allow the ballistic expert to conclude that the substituted PV/20 bullet was fired via rifle "Y"...

Venezis is part of the problem...

He knew he removed a badly fragmented bullet from Sheila's neck, yet by the time the case came to court it had become transformed into a whole bullet which the ballistic expert was able to link to the rifle "Y"...

If Venezis is not corrupted, why hasn't he spoken out about this deception?

No I said conspiracy THEORY.   The bullet although fragmented was retrieved from her 4th vertebra where it had caused massive fracturing. There was no substitution and no reason to do so thus no need for the pathologist who actually conducted the autopsy to speak out about anything.


I have still got to laugh at your absurd notion that someone so shot in the neck could move let alone climb a flight of stairs.  You obviously dont understand the human body.

[rhodes]

Yeah, so you obviously do not believe or trust what the police have said about Junes blood being in the bedroom carpet, on that side of the bed? So, are you agreeing that police have lied about this, if that is what you are saying?

A policeman wouldn't know the difference between Junes blood and that of Sheila.  Where is this magical statement saying that is was Junes blood which was found under Sheila because i guarantee it doesn't exist?


All the evidence points to June remaining on her side of the bed, the blood, the spatter, the bullet casings etc.  June was dead by the time she had taken two steps from her bed.