Rifle flush with body, gun barrel under chin, clue...

[mike tesko]

Position of rifle when Sheila shot under chin - clue...
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[mike tesko]

Position of rifle wben Sheila shot under chin - clue...
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rifle was rested flush with body and tip of barrel was almost in contact with the underside of chin - when a finger touched the trigger and sent bullet PV/19 thundering up into her brain through the roof of her mouth...

[lookout]

rifle was rested flush with body and tip of barrel was almost in contact with the underside of chin - when a finger touched the trigger and sent bullet PV/19 thundering up into her brain through the roof of her mouth...

That's right,Mike. Lying prostrate would have caused both wounds,,except that the second one was " accidental ". Why nobody has admitted that,,I don't know because the first bullet would have eventually killed her. I often wonder if Sheila uttered anything before that second bullet was fired. We'll never know.

[Alyce]

That's right,Mike. Lying prostrate would have caused both wounds,,except that the second one was " accidental ". Why nobody has admitted that,,I don't know because the first bullet would have eventually killed her. I often wonder if Sheila uttered anything before that second bullet was fired. We'll never know.

That's a very sad thought lookout 

[boheme]

That's right,Mike. Lying prostrate would have caused both wounds,,except that the second one was " accidental ". Why nobody has admitted that,,I don't know because the first bullet would have eventually killed her. I often wonder if Sheila uttered anything before that second bullet was fired. We'll never know.

What makes the second wound accidental ? Maybe it was fired because the first did not kill her....

[tyler]

What makes the second wound accidental ? Maybe it was fired because the first did not kill her....

Because the second wound appears to have occurred much much later? Hence the blood still being wet in the crime scene photos? Unless Jeremy crept in whilst the raid team were in situ around the farm,and administered the 2nd shot? 

[lookout]

Because the second wound appears to have occurred much much later? Hence the blood still being wet in the crime scene photos? Unless Jeremy crept in whilst the raid team were in situ around the farm,and administered the 2nd shot? 

That's right,,,while Jeremy was outside with the cops,,,he told them to hang on while he made sure she was dead.

[mike tesko]

The two shots were not fired close together in time -  you can work this out by reference to the verticle blood which ran from the lower wound, which was not duplicated at the upper wound...

[Steve_uk]

That's right,Mike. Lying prostrate would have caused both wounds,,except that the second one was " accidental ". Why nobody has admitted that,,I don't know because the first bullet would have eventually killed her. I often wonder if Sheila uttered anything before that second bullet was fired. We'll never know.

I'm perfectly willing to accept that the Police moved the body slightly which would have set off a further outpouring of blood from her face from the congealed blood. However I believe Jeremy panicked when he realized the first shot had not killed Sheila and had no option but to shoot her again. He would have left her still unaware as to whether she was dead( unlike the other victims whom he had shot to overkill) which is why he delayed in his telephone call to the Police,he delayed in his driving to the farm and he delayed by putting the story about to the Police that Sheila was still inside the farm,hoping that by the time her body was discovered she too would have expired.

[lookout]

Like I said,we'll never know,,and your theory doesn't hold water either.

[boheme]

Like I said,we'll never know,,and your theory doesn't hold water either.

Of course his theory holds water-if the killer wanted it to look like a suicide he could hardly have plugged her with bullets...

[mike tesko]

I'm perfectly willing to accept that the Police moved the body slightly which would have set off a further outpouring of blood from her face from the congealed blood. However I believe Jeremy panicked when he realized the first shot had not killed Sheila and had no option but to shoot her again. He would have left her still unaware as to whether she was dead( unlike the other victims whom he had shot to overkill) which is why he delayed in his telephone call to the Police,he delayed in his driving to the farm and he delayed by putting the story about to the Police that Sheila was still inside the farm,hoping that by the time her body was discovered she too would have expired.

You forgot to mention that DS "Stan" Jones, delayed in reporting that he took possession of the Pargeter silencer (SBJ/1) from the scene on 7th August 1985...

[Moe Cassani]

I'm perfectly willing to accept that the Police moved the body slightly which would have set off a further outpouring of blood from her face from the congealed blood. However I believe Jeremy panicked when he realized the first shot had not killed Sheila and had no option but to shoot her again. He would have left her still unaware as to whether she was dead( unlike the other victims whom he had shot to overkill) which is why he delayed in his telephone call to the Police,he delayed in his driving to the farm and he delayed by putting the story about to the Police that Sheila was still inside the farm,hoping that by the time her body was discovered she too would have expired.

A very interesting theory Steve,
some very good points. I am not certain that a killer would risk leaving the scene with one of his victims still alive and able to positively identify him? If it was Jeremy then I am sure he would have to be certain that Sheila was, in fact, dead. If you take the view that Jeremy was responsible then his slow car journey to White House Farm was an attempt to arrive after the police as he would have wanted to make it abundantly clear that he was not present at the farm when the murders took place. He would also have time to prime the police and ensure they accepted his version of events.
However, if you take the view that he is innocent then this slow journey may have been due to his apprehension about driving to the farmhouse in the middle of the night on his own with a deranged woman inside with a loaded rifle.

[Roch]

I'm perfectly willing to accept that the Police moved the body slightly which would have set off a further outpouring of blood from her face from the congealed blood.

Could there be different photos from different time periods?  There are crime scene photos with oxygenated blood, vivid red, including thin pools of blood.... and there are crime scene photos where the blood is more congealed and therefore matt in appearance.  Some crime scene pics might have been taken initially, then superceded by photos taken considerably later?  The crime scene pics used by the prosecution will have been the later semi congealed blood pics.  The pic leaked to the press in 2004, which made front page news, would therefore be one of the earlier, oxygenated blood batch of photographs.

[Steve_uk]

I think there were two sets of photographs Roch. I can't understand why some photographs had been hidden from the Defence until 2004 which is unacceptable,as is the destruction of other forensic evidence such as Sheila's nightie which I think was in 1996.

As for Jeremy and his shooting of Sheila,he can't hang around and wait until he knows she is dead because the clock is on him and this is one part of the plan which he couldn't rehearse. He just has to get back to Goldhanger through farmland,erase the tape which has the phone call he made to himself from the kitchen at White House Farm,then waste as much time as he can hoping that by the time the Police enter that Sheila is dead.